People have been trying to use a Costco membership card to board commercial flights in America. (Costco is department store chain). A so called Real ID, or other acceptable high grade document, is required. Maybe internet or Youtube videos mislead people. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tsa-tells-americans-costco-cards-wont-fly-airport-security-despite-love-hotdogs

 

 

I've read some news articles about the negative impacts the Real ID will have on air travel as many people haven't yet obtained one.  I'm curious what kind of thought process, or lack thereof, makes someone think that a department store ID card could be used in lieu of an official govt.-issued ID.  Am I surprised, though?  Not really.

I feel no pity for these folks.  The Real ID Act was passed 20 years ago and States have been compliant since 2020.  People who travel by air have had years to get a Real ID drivers license. but they haven't, maybe because they're lazy, uninformed/word not allowed of the requirement, or can't qualify(which means they probably shouldn't be here in the first place, or they're hiding something about their identity or home address).

I got mine 7 years ago and it was no problem at all.

Dave

Edited June 7, 2025Jun 7 by dave2013

4 hours ago, dave2013 said:

I've read some news articles about the negative impacts the Real ID will have on air travel as many people haven't yet obtained one.  I'm curious what kind of thought process, or lack thereof, makes someone think that a department store ID card could be used in lieu of an official govt.-issued ID.  Am I surprised, though?  Not really.

I feel no pity for these folks.  The Real ID Act was passed 20 years ago and States have been compliant since 2020.  People who travel by air have had years to get a Real ID drivers license. but they haven't, maybe because they're lazy, uninformed/word not allowed of the requirement, or can't qualify(which means they probably shouldn't be here in the first place, or they're hiding something about their identity or home address).

I got mine 7 years ago and it was no problem at all.

Dave

Same....

...or; why should anybody be required or compelled to carry 'ID' to go about their daily lives?

What right does the state have to demand this of it's citizens?

We seem to be moving to a society where we are servants of the state whereas in actual fact the state is our servant!

Something is going very wrong with these increasing demands.

Attention, Big Brother! DD Arthur is not towing the line and is asking questions. 😀

Edited June 8, 2025Jun 8 by Fielder

3 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

...or; why should anybody be required or compelled to carry 'ID' to go about their daily lives?

What right does the state have to demand this of it's citizens?

We seem to be moving to a society where we are servants of the state whereas in actual fact the state is our servant!

Something is going very wrong with these increasing demands.

 

  You don't need carry ID.... Somethings such as flying commercial, driving, buying a firearm or voting..(some places anyway) ya need ID..Pretty simple or don't do them...

5 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

...or; why should anybody be required or compelled to carry 'ID' to go about their daily lives?

What right does the state have to demand this of it's citizens?

We seem to be moving to a society where we are servants of the state whereas in actual fact the state is our servant!

Something is going very wrong with these increasing demands.

how do you go if you get pulled up by the police in driving or just going around the city etc.  Unless your a Sovereign citizen 🙂 

11 hours ago, pete_auau said:

how do you go if you get pulled up by the police in driving or just going around the city etc.  Unless your a Sovereign citizen 🙂 

Nothing to do with being a 'Sovereign citizen' but everything to do with being simply a citizen going about their lawful,  everyday business without having to answer to the demands of big brother.

In the UK twenty years ago our beurocracy came up with the idea that issuing everyone with an ID card would help fight 'terrorism'. 

Nobody could actually explain how having everyone carrying ID would help prevent terrorism, especially as our lunatic terrorists were either UK citizens or had permanent residence. The idea was dropped.

Right now we're being told everyone should be issued with an ID card because it would help in the fight against illegal immigration.  Once again,  nobody can actually explain how issuing everyone in the UK with an ID card will stop desperate people boarding rubber dinghies on the French coast and attempting to sail across the English Channel. 

It's just another symptom of our government's urge to create a surveillance society...

Well in France the ID card exists since quite a while at least, and if I'm not mistaken we're required to carry it as soon as we leave from home, no matter the destination. Not sure what "big brother" you see in that, but one of the purposes is to verify who you are, in case something bad happens (around you, to you, or by you...).

And of course we need an ID card to take the plane, even a passport in case of international flight. I fail to understand why anybody would think that you don't need to be identified to board a plane ?

Edited June 9, 2025Jun 9 by Daube

I carry my wallet with ID in it (I've had the Real ID for at least 4 years now) whenever I leave the house
to go shopping, for a walk, or anywhere I go.  If something happens while I'm out and need any kind of
emergency services, I have my ID and any Medical cards for insurance purposes.

Just like the commercial says....."Don't leave home without it".

On 6/7/2025 at 2:05 PM, Fielder said:

People have been trying to use a Costco membership card to board commercial flights in America. (Costco is department store chain). A so called Real ID, or other acceptable high grade document, is required. Maybe internet or Youtube videos mislead people. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tsa-tells-americans-costco-cards-wont-fly-airport-security-despite-love-hotdogs

 

 

What is this World coming to, anyway?

18 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

...or; why should anybody be required or compelled to carry 'ID' to go about their daily lives?

What right does the state have to demand this of it's citizens?

We seem to be moving to a society where we are servants of the state whereas in actual fact the state is our servant!

Something is going very wrong with these increasing demands.

You're not serious, are you?

Look, I totally understand those who simply forgot to renew their Driver's License when the Expiration date passed, and didn't realize it until they went to the Bank or something... I've done that myself. The 'Real ID' endorsement has been on my Driver's license for the past three cycles of Validation (5 years x 3) as the Default.

But to question why one needs to carry 'official' Personal Identification in the first place is absolutely ludicrous. Using the excuse that the State is trying to 'surveill' reeks of paranoia and personally, would lead me to believe that the person is involved in some manner of questionable Activity. If one is injured in an Accident and doesn't have a valid ID, how is the Hospital supposed to contact loved ones to inform them of the situation? How is that same person going to go somewhere like their Financial Institution to conduct business without that same Institution being able to verify the person's Identity? 🙄

19 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

...or; why should anybody be required or compelled to carry 'ID' to go about their daily lives?

What right does the state have to demand this of it's citizens?

We seem to be moving to a society where we are servants of the state whereas in actual fact the state is our servant!

Something is going very wrong with these increasing demands.

Disagree utterly. There is nothing evil about it: just a means to prove you are who you say you are.  Your bank know it is you, the courier know it is you when delivering your credit card,etc. Simple means to cut down fraud. No different to having to carry a driving licence.

27 minutes ago, IanHarrison said:

 No different to having to carry a driving licence.

In the UK we don't have to carry a driving licence. Not even when driving. As to being suspicious of people who refuse to carry ID; that really does reek of paranoia.

I'm not talking about voluntary ID that people feel useful to carry for a variety of very good reasons. I'm talking about the compulsory ID that many European countries compel their citizens to carry when they leave their homes? Why? So the state can compel their citizens - by force - to identify themselves to the authorities that's why. As a Brit this repels me.

The last man who thought he could compel us to do his bidding...well we cut his head off...

Like it or not, those European countries that do have compulsory ID cards also have a history of invasion, repression and tyranny. The collaborationist Vichy government of France introduced them in October 1940 after their surrender to the Germans. In 1942 Jewish citizens had the word 'Jew' added to their ID cards in red lettering which helped enable the Vichy government to deport 76,000 of them to Germany where they were murdered in the holocaust.  In Germany itself compulsory ID cards were introduced by the word not allowed in 1938.

In these modern times we all endure creeping interference by the state simply because technology makes it easier than ever to do this.

There are real issues here that allude to power and it's exercise in free societies that should not be ignored by any of us.

 

 

3 hours ago, ViperPilot said:

If one is injured in an Accident and doesn't have a valid ID, how is the Hospital supposed to contact loved ones to inform them of the situation?

When I broke my hip, the hospital simply asked me. And the ambulance certainly didn't ask me for valid ID (never mind "Real ID"!) before they loaded me on. My bank interestingly enough prefers I do not use ID - they much prefer I enter the PIN on my debit card. I am unsure whether that is more secure, but ultimately it's on them.

Where I have significant concerns is attempting to tie national or especially state IDs to valid immigration status. The complexities (at least in the US) are completely beyond the understanding of the state authorities (and sometimes that of the border patrol!)

Cheers

26 minutes ago, Luke said:

My bank interestingly enough prefers I do not use ID - they much prefer I enter the PIN on my debit card.

Entering the pin on your debit card identifies you to the bank in exactly the same way as an ID card does.
The only difference is that you formally identified yourself when you obtained the bank account that the
debit card accesses. The pin is just a shortcut back to that ID.

As a matter of real interest, there is a wide world outside the United States of America that does not necessarily
share or appreciate the same culture, rules, laws or indeed constitution and in many parts of it, ID cards are
routine and as explained above, offer far more benefits than drawbacks.

In my part of the world, there was uproar when the idea of compulsory ID cards was suggested and they were not
implemented. 
Neverthless, anyone with a driver's licence must carry one and it includes photo ID, the licence number and the holder's
address.
How someone can refuse to have an ID card and then happily carry another card with all the same details on it
remains one of life's great mysteries.