13 minutes ago, tamba765 said:

Nobody will develop adddons for it.

Ahhh nothing like a little optimism. Lol

2 hours ago, GCBraun said:

Yes, it’s very similar, although I prefer the MSFS version for its improved texturing and effects.

**Begin off-topic rant**: PMDG has been milking essentially the same add-on for over a decade, and asking for yet another upgrade fee for 2024 feels impossible to justify at this point. End off-topic rant**.

I understand your point. In my case, I wouldn't mind paying a fair price, but based on what I see, they still haven't fixed the overly sensitive rudder twitchiness during taxi, takeoff roll, or on the EFB items, like the missing accelerate stop distance data. There are also ongoing issues with interactions between LNAV, FD, and AP before or after WPT passage, along with some inconsistencies with VNAV. The good news is that those PMDG pens work well. Eye candy still takes precedence over accuracy.

2 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

Stop spreading this false info, the weather radar in 2020/2024 is 3D, you can see the weather disappear/appear as you climb/descend, and you can get a side view in the Garmin equipped aircraft that support it. An actual dev who works on the sims has even said it's 3D.

But you're right that you can't tilt it.

Wrong. It does not have a true 3D weather radar built into the simulator itself. The radar echoes you see changing with altitude are a result of how the sim’s volumetric weather is rendered, not an actual radar scan. Otherwise there would not be any reason for why we cannot use the tilt.

Some third‑party aircraft addons simulate more realistic radar behavior, including side‑view returns, but these are developer‑made workarounds rather than a native 3D radar system.

Users complained about having to pay for addons in P3D. Today you can and some have spent a lot more on addons for 2020 and 2024 and that`s scenery not aircraft, some airports have three different versions of the same airport.

And according to users you need at 24MB VRAM FOR 2024 to get the best performance, The price of which is going going through the roof and Nvidia has delayed the release of 50 series Super. 

1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

Have you got a link for this Ray?

I couldn't find a video from this channel. 

Sorry, it’s flightdeck2sim. Here’s his video.

 

18 hours ago, SayAgain said:

Wow, that’s incredibly negative

The truth is negative?  Look at the years of complaints about UE5 and stuttering in games.

 

18 hours ago, SayAgain said:

and MSFS doesn’t have long frames?

Whataboutism.  Straw man.  Irrelevant to the discussion.

2 hours ago, G-RFRY said:

an AI Scam on YouTube.

I doubt that … this is Lockheed Martin’s official channel.

Well, I’m highly interested to see what it’s all about!

id be utterly gobsmacked to see any level of backwards compatibility with any addons, so I’m not holding my breath there. 

If it’s a good flight sim (physics, WEATHER, visuals, etc) and the obligatory Default F-16, F-35, xH-60, and maybe the C-130 are up to modern sim standards, I’d be more than happy to jump back in just for that. 

given the relatively dismal level of fidelity for military MSFS addons, and the historical support for weapons in P3D, this could be a highly entertaining diversion. 

anyhow, it seems there’s but one more day to wait for the news!

oh, and p.s., yeah, it may not even be a consumer release - THAT would be extremely disappointing!

Edited December 1, 2025Dec 1 by UrgentSiesta

17 minutes ago, Greggy_D said:

The truth is negative?

Show me your poll sample relative to number of UE5 users and games before you start claiming “truth”.  In addition, show me the graphics settings, the user’s hardware, and the specific game/simulations being used relative to (last count about 400+ titles) the titles listed here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Unreal_Engine_5_games

Your claim that UE5 stutters without providing any sort of context.  If you leave the context door open, you’re position is open to comparisons to other products because you have not provided any context just some sweeping generalization.

I have yet to encounter a game/simulation that has not stuttered regardless of graphics engine.  

5 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Absolutely! A mature and comprehensive SDK is worth a great deal. I’ve just watched a PMDG 737-800 video for MSFS24 and there’s still no ChasePlane or weather radar. Five years since the initial release.

But a v7 would have to be extraordinary to attract simmers away from Asobo / Microsoft.

I mean, there is weather radar, has been for quite a while in MSFS. You can argue it's not "accurate" but the weather in MSFS is far more dynamic and 'real' feeling than P3D + Activesky was, IMO. As for Chaseplane the default camera system in MSFS is perfectly adequate.

Of course I think it's safe to say that if P3Dv7 moves to Unreal then you're likely not going to have any consumer addons at this point. How many addons have even been ported to v6 at this point? And that would be a relatively easy port compared to v6 -> v7 if they really are moving to Unreal engine.

Does MSFS20/24 have its flaws? Sure. But like, P3dv7 is going to have to offer a lot more than 3d weather radar (will it even have that feature in the base sim or will you still need to buy a $40 addon to get it?) to offset the fact that MSFS offers a player base across PC, Xbox, and PlayStation that actually pays the money needed to support a healthy, robust addon ecosystem. Even X-Plane struggles in this regard and it has a long dedicated fanbase of Linux/Mac users to fall back on at least.

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6 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Absolutely! A mature and comprehensive SDK is worth a great deal. I’ve just watched a PMDG 737-800 video for MSFS24 and there’s still no ChasePlane or weather radar. Five years since the initial release.

But a v7 would have to be extraordinary to attract simmers away from Asobo / Microsoft.

Chaseplane and Flow should be released for MSFS 2024 before the new year.

57 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Well, I’m highly interested to see what it’s all about!

id be utterly gobsmacked to see any level of backwards compatibility with any addons, so I’m not holding my breath there. 

If it’s a good flight sim (physics, WEATHER, visuals, etc) and the obligatory Default F-16, F-35, xH-60, and maybe the C-130 are up to modern sim standards, I’d be more than happy to jump back in just for that. 

given the relatively dismal level of fidelity for military MSFS addons, and the historical support for weapons in P3D, this could be a highly entertaining diversion. 

anyhow, it seems there’s but one more day to wait for the news!

oh, and p.s., yeah, it may not even be a consumer release - THAT would be extremely disappointing!

I thought LM were talking about the next version of P3D having zero backwards compatibility after P3D v6. So if V7 is released tomorrow and has no compatibility, no one should be surprised. 

1 hour ago, Amon1973 said:

I thought LM were talking about the next version of P3D having zero backwards compatibility after P3D v6. So if V7 is released tomorrow and has no compatibility, no one should be surprised. 

Agree. however, it’s frequently raised as a talking point, so…

the other curious thing is that LM have stated that the current P3D codebase will continue on indefinitely due to mil/gov/com demand, and that projects like unreal will be parallel/separate applications. 

so whatever’s announced tomorrow probably isn’t “Prepar3D vAnything”. Unless they’re recycling the P3D branding to a new product.

and going either way in that carries potentially significant pitfalls. 

6 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Agree. however, it’s frequently raised as a talking point, so…

the other curious thing is that LM have stated that the current P3D codebase will continue on indefinitely due to mil/gov/com demand, and that projects like unreal will be parallel/separate applications. 

I don't think this is a curious thing. P3D as a commercial application is well established and it hardly seems likely that Lockheed Martin would withdraw support in the medium term when militaries around the world are notorious for being lumbered with equipment and systems that are often years or even decades out of date.

The demand for support - and new products - for P3D from their commercial/military user base is going to continue for several years into the future...

...which leads us to...

24 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

 so whatever’s announced tomorrow probably isn’t “Prepar3D vAnything”. Unless they’re recycling the P3D branding to a new product.

and going either way in that carries potentially significant pitfalls. 

Agree completely.  I can't see this being another version of P3D. I can't see 'P3D' as a branding of any importance to LM or their commercial/military partners either.

P3D might mean something to what is now a very small proportion of the leisure flightsim community but the really important name is Lockheed Martin. What they produce with their name on it is what's recognisable to their commercial partners.

For LM, the Unreal engine gives them access to a vastly bigger pool of development talent familiar with this platform rather than trying to squeeze the last pips from an obscure, bespoke piece of software based on the FSX engine.

I'd be surprised if what they're going to reveal is in anyway aimed at the leisure sim market.

33 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

I don't think this is a curious thing. P3D as a commercial application is well established and it hardly seems likely that Lockheed Martin would withdraw support in the medium term when militaries around the world are notorious for being lumbered with equipment and systems that are often years or even decades out of date.

The demand for support - and new products - for P3D from their commercial/military user base is going to continue for several years into the future...

...which leads us to...

Agree completely.  I can't see this being another version of P3D. I can't see 'P3D' as a branding of any importance to LM or their commercial/military partners either.

P3D might mean something to what is now a very small proportion of the leisure flightsim community but the really important name is Lockheed Martin. What they produce with their name on it is what's recognisable to their commercial partners.

For LM, the Unreal engine gives them access to a vastly bigger pool of development talent familiar with this platform rather than trying to squeeze the last pips from an obscure, bespoke piece of software based on the FSX engine.

I'd be surprised if what they're going to reveal is in anyway aimed at the leisure sim market.

Please forgive my clumsy use of “curious”.  

entirely agreed. 👍