I been saying for years PMDG just port the 777 and 737 to each new versions of flightsims they are now a mid tear developer 

Based on the video mentioned above, there is no difference in rudder twitchiness during that TO roll in this version. As for "exercises done during the type rating," what he's showing isn't part of the checkride curriculum—familiarization, YES. His demonstration with power adjustments and rudder reaction closely resembles what was in 2020; it's very close. Also, specific bugs from 2020 still remain unfixed. A clear example of excellent ground handling for similar equipment is the iFly 737 in MSFS2024. Regarding ground handling, even the ASOBO 737 is significantly off, regardless of what the native MSFS2024 offers. As someone mentioned here, "some" YouTubers are just looking for ratings and clicks to generate revenue. 

Every single nuance of feeling on this depends on .......... what they end up charging.

If it's truly the cost of a coffee, it won't worry me at all and I'll grab it.

If it feels like exploitation, I'll pass.  I don't fly airliners enough these days for it to worry me. I have, like others have said, bought every single PMDG 737 aircraft, since the NG in 2003.   From the previews of this new 2024 version, I'm not blown away, mostly because the main instrument panel view looks all but identical to the 2020 version.  Things like the cabin aren't a seller for me because I tend to check out a cabin once and then never bother again. It's all about the standard operation immersion for me.

As an aside, rather than gloating, I genuinely feel said that PMDG, in my opinion, are so past their golden years.  I remember the mid-2000s, having the NGX, then the 747 QOTS, then the first release of the 777, the MD-11, which I loved.  They were the kings of the castle and genuinely innovated.   

Now, the trend is that they tend to be a bit behind the curve.  Fenix outdid them in every area in 2020.   We had the lack of the EFB for so long....  They are tied to a formula of re-renders of existing products and features that just feels so tired.

My excitement level for the 737 in 2024, is at about 3.5/10.  Not because I don't think it will be a good product but because I think it will be so predictable.   It feels like they used to be the Mercedes Benz of the airliner sim world and now they're like a safe-bet, predictable, slightly uninspiring Ford*.

*No offence is intended towards owners of Ford vehicles 😁 .... and yes, I drive a Mercedes 😇

Edited December 3, 2025Dec 3 by JYW

10 minutes ago, jason74 said:

I been saying for years PMDG just port the 777 and 737 to each new versions of flightsims

Please provide details on exactly how they do that from c++ code, to MSFS 2024 SDK, to modeling changes, texture changes, and finally WASM (which isn’t present in prior flight sims)?

Are you just making stuff up because you want something for free, or have you actually worked on migration of aircraft across platforms?

3 hours ago, longhaul747 said:

From what I can see this new update by PMDG is mostly just an interior upgrade to an existing exterior model.  Compared to what we had before the interior "BLING" is much better but this makes little difference in the flyability of the aircraft.  I would feel better about it this was a free upgrade for those that have purchased the 2020 version at least in the current version shown.  I just don't see a lot of value in what is presented only that you will have to pay to play in FS2024.  PMDG will likely get my money for the upgrade since I am mostly on FS2024 now and getting the FS2020 version to work in FS2024 is hit and miss at best. 

I would feel a lot more confident if this was truly going to be a definitive 737NG package.  Especially for the price of admission that they charge and recharge for.  I think its absolutely pathetic they can't be bothered to make a non winglet version and EFB select able brow windows.  I find it hard to believe that nobody on the PMDG team has not raised concern about the lack of these features.  Also if it was truly built from the ground up we would likely have these features.  Nope I am 99% sure its the same exterior model with a more blingy interior and poorly revised exterior textures. 

As for upgrade pricing it really should be free in its current form.  If they had some extra frame features like non winglet and selectable brow windows plus whatever other exterior differences I would be much more exited about spending $5 to $20 for an upgrade.  I think PMDG missed an opportunity here.  If it was truly feature complete I would be happy to toss my 2020 versions and pay an upgrade fee for the 2024 versions.  In its current form I don't think I can be bothered to pay more than $5 to $10 for an upgrade and that is only if I am in a good mood. 

We definitely need another 737NG to come into the game.  IFly had a really nice 737NG package that was pretty much feature complete back in the day.  However they are so busy with the MAX its doubtful we will see one from them anytime soon.           

It feels like you're not paying attention to the information released so far...?

This vid gets into some of the specifics, and from what I can see, they're far more than skin deep:

 

Sure, maybe the changes you desire aren't there, but there's a lot of "meat" in this upgrade in terms of systems and physics (and graphics, like opening windows and cabin doors, etc.).

Not saying you have to be in love with the upgrade, or that it'll be paid, but c'mon, man...!

Endless previews across all the Simming sites - just release it!

I’m just looking forward to flying an NG again.  Bring it on.  

1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said:

It feels like you're not paying attention to the information released so far...?

This vid gets into some of the specifics, and from what I can see, they're far more than skin deep:

 

Sure, maybe the changes you desire aren't there, but there's a lot of "meat" in this upgrade in terms of systems and physics (and graphics, like opening windows and cabin doors, etc.).

Not saying you have to be in love with the upgrade, or that it'll be paid, but c'mon, man...!

We can agree that the desired or mandatory changes might not be there. Yes, we have a lot of upgrades through the cockpit and cabin, starting with cookies, sandwiches, and dogs guarding the toilet, graphics, but not quite significant in the real aircraft physics. From what I noticed, I might be wrong. To avoid sparking any debate, did you fly the real 737? Did you fly this version to conclude that this is an upgrade in terms of systems and physics? Many years ago, I flew the 734, and I sometimes jumpseat on these new variants, and it's pretty easy to spot specific issues. People will decide whether to purchase, and, as usual, the current qualified pilots will chime in. Unfortunately, the previous findings brought to the PMDG's attention went nowhere in pursuit of a quick buck. I will, for sure, buy this version to keep the spirit alive and hope they have addressed the previous bugs. 

 

55 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

If they had some extra features like  selectable brow windows

As a fellow who also likes brow windows, unless something’s changed since the last time I checked, they (and many other equipment options) are selectable in the FMC interface. 

PMDG even goes so far as to match cockpit equipment options to liveries with the “verified” moniker. 
 

“If this was truly going to be a definitive 737NG package“

Other than no-winglet, what keeps this from being the “definitive NG”?

For e.g., the iFly has a good rep, and is reliably reported to be better in certain areas, but it’s also just a single variant AFAICT. So it’s relatively less work, etc. 

“If it was truly feature complete”

is there a more feature complete NG than this one…?

1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said:

We definitely need another 737NG to come into the game. 

Totally agree. The Airbus “glut” is undoubtedly why the choices are so good. 

 

1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said:

IFly had a really nice 737NG package that was pretty much feature complete back in the day. 

I was new to the P3D scene back then, but I NEVER heard iFly mentioned as a peer level dev. I would’ve looked into them if so, for sure. 
What makes the iFly NG better than the PMDG…?

Again, I don’t think PMDG are perfect, but they do get a LOT of things right. 

and yeah, I’d prefer a free upgrade like Fenix or Just Flight offered, but I’m not feeling entitled to a free upgrade, either…

$19.99 or under i'll be okay.  over that... I will have to reconsider my relationship with PMDG.  As it is, I may not convert my 700 or 900 FS2020 purchase to 2024.  Thursday will be interesting.  

1 hour ago, SayAgain said:

Please provide details on exactly how they do that from c++ code, to MSFS 2024 SDK, to modeling changes, texture changes, and finally WASM (which isn’t present in prior flight sims)?

Are you just making stuff up because you want something for free, or have you actually worked on migration of aircraft across platforms?

In the 3dsmax 2024 sdk, it’s very easy to import your model into application and adjust your model and animations and re export as a 2024 build. 
 

There’s even a one button “convert to msfs material” option to convert all texture slots to 2024.

Now as for the coding, yes you might need to work on that and yes you might need to rebuild a few things in 3dsmax to work with 2024 and to add new features, but it’s not that difficult to convert a 2020 model to 2024. Adjusting the model and new coding for new features is what takes time, but no need to “rebuild from scratch” like most companies claim they do. 

2 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Do you know who that particular streamer is...?

Might want to re-think your assertion. 🤙

Absolutely don't know who the person is.

If you are inferring they are some respected individual in the YouTube world so be it.

There are many of the same on YouTube that try to convey they are the expert not we.

As I previously said 1 persons opinion on YouTube is pointless!

7 minutes ago, LRBS said:

We can agree that the desired or mandatory changes might not be there. Yes, we have a lot of upgrades through the cockpit and cabin, starting with cookies, sandwiches, and dogs guarding the toilet, graphics, but not quite significant in the real aircraft physics. From what I noticed, I might be wrong. To avoid sparking any debate, did you fly the real 737? Did you fly this version to conclude that this is an upgrade in terms of systems and physics? Many years ago, I flew the 734, and I sometimes jumpseat on these new variants, and it's pretty easy to spot specific issues. People will decide whether to purchase, and, as usual, the current qualified pilots will chime in. Unfortunately, the previous findings brought to the PMDG's attention went nowhere in pursuit of a quick buck. I will, for sure, buy this version to keep the spirit alive and hope they have addressed the previous bugs. 

 

An Argument From Authority ALWAYS gets you points deducted in my book, so you’re already behind the power curve here.

if we get back to facts instead of ivory tower posturing, there are already quite a few IRL 737 / Boeing pilots giving this a thumbs up based on their IRL airliner experience AND IRL hands-on time with the addon. And yeah, that definitely includes flight/physics improvements. 

P.s., FWIW I couldn’t care less about the cabin improvements, cookies, PBJs and such, not to mention a flushing toilet (what IS IT with the potty fixation in flight sim…? 🤣)

Other than in this case, it’s cool that the flush causes a momentary cabin pressure change in the cockpit instruments. 

1 hour ago, carlanthony24 said:

I would take any information from flightdeck2sim or V1 over another particular content creator.

You don't get it.

The YouTuber's are making videos for revenue and are given advance copies to positively promote something.

Any negativity and they will never review that companies product again!

6 minutes ago, tpete61 said:

Absolutely don't know who the person is.

If you are inferring they are some respected individual in the YouTube world so be it.

There are many of the same on YouTube that try to convey they are the expert not we.

As I previously said 1 persons opinion on YouTube is pointless!

“Horses to water…” something, something…

your loss!

p.s., I’m not inferring, I’m implying. 
you're inferring 😎🤙

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