25 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Yes, but this is comparing multiple products (and varying levels of quality) from different developers. PMDG have been releasing top quality simulations of the 737 for many years, so any new versions absolutely should look and feel quite similar (relatively speaking).

Not necessarily, theres definitely room for improvement in textures and modelling since the 2024 engine can handle much more detail. 

41 minutes ago, Zangoose said:

Yeah I've seen the same but not seen anything "official" as such. 

Is this a push back of an unannounced release date? 🤦‍♂️

41 minutes ago, Zangoose said:

Yeah I've seen the same but not seen anything "official" as such. 

Is this a push back of an unannounced release date? 🤦‍♂️

6 hours ago, Georgleboui said:

Robert was the one that spoke of it as a 2024 upgrade in all his messages and interviews, and that the cost was "a couple of cups of coffee".
On the scale of coffee to full price, I've got a feeling the price will be closer to the latter for those of us who own the 2020 version.

Matthijs himself referenced an upgrade price on the PMDG forums.

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/376086-737-for-msfs2024-first-video-s-now-available?p=376663#post376663

In terms of the "official" comms about the exterior model. V1 on a stream last night mentioned the streamers got an email they could share. This email was around them reworking the exterior model. But nothing about a delay to the unannounced date.

4 hours ago, rob0203 said:

Anyway I will buy it immediately, PMDG delivers one of the best and stable products there have been for many years (also LNAV / VNAV.)

I'm not saying their products are bad, I own some of them myself, but I find especially their LNAV not very convincing. Unfortunately, I've seen most of the inaccuracies in the newest videos again.

- wobbly LNAV turns (not constant and smooth)

- not being able to follow the magenta line (for no obvious reason)

- overshooting turns

- bad ILS intercept (too tight turn at the beginning and then very slowly creeping to the LOC being nearly parallel already)

 

I may be asking for too much, but there are devs out there who do it better (not many unfortunately). I'm surprised flightdeck2sim doesn't point these out and only has praise for the update, because in his video alone, you can see what I mean.

To the point of this coming release being an *almost* completely new product: yeah, sure 🙃

32 minutes ago, ianb2469 said:

Is this a push back of an unannounced release date? 🤦‍♂️

Just seen this:

 

Edited December 4, 2025Dec 4 by Zangoose

34 minutes ago, NovemberUniform said:

I'm not saying their products are bad, I own some of them myself, but I find especially their LNAV not very convincing. Unfortunately, I've seen most of the inaccuracies in the newest videos again.

- wobbly LNAV turns (not constant and smooth)

- not being able to follow the magenta line (for no obvious reason)

- overshooting turns

- bad ILS intercept (too tight turn at the beginning and then very slowly creeping to the LOC being nearly parallel already)

 

I may be asking for too much, but there are devs out there who do it better (not many unfortunately). I'm surprised flightdeck2sim doesn't point these out and only has praise for the update, because in his video alone, you can see what I mean.

To the point of this coming release being an *almost* completely new product: yeah, sure 🙃

As someone who flies these things in real life, what you point out frustrates me. However, your last point….i had the real thing do this exact same thing to me on my last trip. Annoying as all heck. Anyways, I really hope they don’t give us the same stuff just moved over to 2024.

1 hour ago, NovemberUniform said:

- wobbly LNAV turns (not constant and smooth)

- not being able to follow the magenta line (for no obvious reason)

- overshooting turns

- bad ILS intercept (too tight turn at the beginning and then very slowly creeping to the LOC being nearly parallel already)

I can confirm that I see the same issues in MSFS 2020 on my PC, although I would say that it tends to follow the magenta line well for the vast majority of my flights. That "wobble" before a turn is baffling, and really needs to be sorted out. It makes the plane feel like a small model rather than a full size airliner.

32 minutes ago, ahsmatt7 said:

However, your last point….i had the real thing do this exact same thing to me on my last trip.

Okay, please don't tell PMDG. They put it on their list of highly realistic features.

 

4 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

although I would say that it tends to follow the magenta line well for the vast majority of my flights.

Yeah, it's mainly on SIDs and STARs with turns in tight sequence.

What I forgot is RF legs. Good that they finally have them, but their jets fly them like... 🫣

50 minutes ago, NovemberUniform said:

I'm not saying their products are bad, I own some of them myself, but I find especially their LNAV not very convincing. Unfortunately, I've seen most of the inaccuracies in the newest videos again.

- wobbly LNAV turns (not constant and smooth)

- not being able to follow the magenta line (for no obvious reason)

- overshooting turns

- bad ILS intercept (too tight turn at the beginning and then very slowly creeping to the LOC being nearly parallel already)

 

I may be asking for too much, but there are devs out there who do it better (not many unfortunately). I'm surprised flightdeck2sim doesn't point these out and only has praise for the update, because in his video alone, you can see what I mean.

To the point of this coming release being an *almost* completely new product: yeah, sure 🙃

I 100% agree with the above.
Being able to open the cabin lockers was probably highly anticipated by most simmers (!), but it doesn't erase the fact that there's still a lot of work to be done on the FMC simulation coding for the primary AP functions—horizontal and vertical navigation tracking.
And this work has never been finished, despite the numerous "new versions" of the same aircraft.

I know I will buy the 2024 version because the 737 is almost part of my family (...), but lately I no longer have the same enthusiasm for PMDG which in my very humble opinion has sacrificed the capital of trust they had acquired over many years, relying solely on their reputation to reap profits without offering any real compensation in terms of innovation or quality of their products.

It will release sometime in January and be around $70.  I'm known in certain circles as the PMDG release whisperer.

1 hour ago, Zangoose said:

Just seen this:

 

Unfortunately one simply cannot believe this. For a mature company like PMDG, it's simply not credible that they:

1. Have testers that sign NDAs

and

2. Said testers have been with PMDG for many years

and

3. These guys had the NDA lifted/expired and were clearly given the all-clear to start talking about it online and drive buzz

BUT 

PMDG "simply does not have a release date set". 

That's really asking me to believe that PMDG is so incompetent that they basically did a marketing/PR campaign without meaning to and with no release date set, and no have no idea when this plane is actually launching. 

Nah, to me, it's more credible that they lifted the NDA expecting a far more positive reaction from the community, didn't get what they expected, and are now rethinking launch dates, features, and pricing. 

I absolutely think that if they launched this next week with an upgrade price of anything more than $20, and a full price of whatever.. they will not get a good response from the community. 

I typed out quite a bit here then realized I was just complaining about everything. This isn't me. Just appreciate several other (most) developers that didn't charge their customers again for the same product. Instead, they updated their planes, fixed the bugs, released them.... I shouldn't complain as I have a lot of planes already but I don't want to pay for the same plane. Again. And again. Did that years ago and regret it. 

28 minutes ago, JonathanC said:

PMDG "simply does not have a release date set". 

This makes sense.

All release comms come from RSR. They also may still have outstanding back-end issues not resolved.

They may well have the release date. But until Robert shares it, there isn't one. Matthijs isn't going to tell us the release date.

12 minutes ago, BrammyH said:

This makes sense.

All release comms come from RSR. They also may still have outstanding back-end issues not resolved.

They may well have the release date. But until Robert shares it, there isn't one. Matthijs isn't going to tell us the release date.

Yes, but to claim that they don't have one at all stretches credulity. Anyway I dont' care that much about this subject lol. They'll release when they do, I'll pick it up if I feel it's worth it, or else I won't.  No point speculating till we all have something we can use ourselves.