I hope MS/Asobo will restore the accurate terrain to the FS2020 simulator that was in the simulator before the SU16 update. It is hard to think about continuing the simulator hobby if a very important part, the simulator terrain, is unclear.

I have been a simulator flying enthusiast for over 40 years and would like to continue doing so.

how is it inaccurate?

When it's not morphing in front of my eyes, it looks pretty accurate. 

I think he means the clarity of the imagery.  There is a slight degradation in 2024 from 2020.

Because the terrain mesh is higher resolution in 2024.

39 minutes ago, kokelas1 said:

I hope MS/Asobo will restore the accurate terrain to the FS2020 simulator that was in the simulator before the SU16 update. It is hard to think about continuing the simulator hobby if a very important part, the simulator terrain, is unclear.

I have been a simulator flying enthusiast for over 40 years and would like to continue doing so.

 40 years! So you remember the early days of MSFS, the wireframe graphics etc. Funny enough I have only just switched to 2024, and still use 2020. I thought the graphics in the current version of 2020 are the best they have ever been and even rival 2024. And much better than the wireframe offering of yesteryear. Another sign of how jaded we have all become!

Very true, I started with Flight Simulator 98 and remember those graphics very well!

looks accurate to me 

I must admit I am always underwhelmed when flying in mountainous regions.
Never looks real to me.

I remember when we first started, we always flew at night. The immersion was better because we could not see the terrible graphics.

Now whenever I fly at night. I ask myself WHY?.. We waited all these years for great graphics and here I am  wasting my time flying at night.

 

1 hour ago, kokelas1 said:

I hope MS/Asobo will restore the accurate terrain to the FS2020 simulator that was in the simulator before the SU16 update. It is hard to think about continuing the simulator hobby if a very important part, the simulator terrain, is unclear.

I have been a simulator flying enthusiast for over 40 years and would like to continue doing so.

I would suggest using the Map Enhancement Tool, with the new Bing Maps. The terrain looks very sharp and clear to me.

Not particularly wanting to support the rather hyperbolic title or original post, I would just add one thought to the whole 2024 terrain/morphing/lods/visuals debate.

I've recently been spending most of my time getting my XP12 system set up and back into use, and also reinstalling all my P3D systems (v2 through v6); in the case of XP because I wanted to see what it looked like now, and in the case of P3D because I wanted to be able to use a whole bunch of my older aircraft that are not available for MSFS. I was also waiting for SU4 to go live, as I don't do betas these days.

With all the old P3Ds, and in fact I also got my FSX/SE out from under its cobwebs for the same reasons, although I've settled mostly on v4 and v5 with as much of my old Orbx scenery as I want in place, including True Earth where available, it is obviously the case that the whole terrain/scenery environment has leapt into a new generation with MSFS. I already knew that but it was a handy reminder to see even a pretty optimal P3D system by comparison again.

Now that SU4 is out, I have been back spending most (but not all) of my time in 2024 again. And for me, SU4 has been a really significant improvement, in that the whole scenery LODs a'popping thing has been reduced very significantly. Not, unfortunately, removed, but definitely substantially improved. 

Here's the "but", though. The issue for me is now that MSFS2024 is so good visually, that things that might be perceived as minor, or even just part of the package, in the older systems now really stick out for me in 2024. When the scenery does pop, it does so in a way that is very noticeable in my eyes, whereas in my reinstated P3Ds it tends to resolve into view in a more graduated fashion - it almost fades in and out rather than suddenly appearing/disappearing. And of course that popping effect is both unrealistic and far more noticeable, as the human brain is programmed to detect motion as a survival function.

I've seen the various discussions about the whys and wherefores of the cause of this, and have no comment about any of that. It's there. it happens, I can see it, but I can't do anything about it. I run high LODs and max settings at 4k on a big screen and I'm going to stay that way.

Likewise, the other major irritant for me is the pretty lousy PG. It was definitely better in 2020 before that got retrofitted with the 2024 stuff. And yeah, yeah, I know I can turn it off, but if I have to do that I may have well stayed with P3D as far as I'm concerned. PG has always been bad in terms of its misrepresentation of trees, with all those green concrete obelisks scattered around in variou locations, but that got a whole lot worse from day one in 2024 and seems to have been propagated back into 2020 now. Presumably something to do with not using Blackshark AI I guess.

Neither of those two things is enough to put me off 2024. It really is an absolutely stunning piece of work visually. I have no comment to make about other aspects of the sim, like flight models and so on as they don't interest me. I realise the best description for how I use a sim is that I'm a plane spotter at heart. I just like to see interesting and well modelled planes moving around over the best possible world below. 

My point here is just that the better 2024 gets, the more glaring the (actually pretty minor) faults become.

Bur these are stunning times to be simming, whatever your motives and pleasures, that's for sure.

1 hour ago, SierraHotel BSc said:

 40 years! So you remember the early days of MSFS, the wireframe graphics etc. Funny enough I have only just switched to 2024, and still use 2020. I thought the graphics in the current version of 2020 are the best they have ever been and even rival 2024. And much better than the wireframe offering of yesteryear. Another sign of how jaded we have all become!

Well to be fair we only had a little bit of Illinois including Chicago, and the Seattle WA area later.  Conveniently flat terrain.

The WW1 Red Baron "entertainment option" had nice 2D mountains bordering the combat grid.  Could be that's what he's remembering.  Although I think that was 42-43 years ago now.  

I remember thinking this was super cool and very advanced... 😄

 

I’d say quit your simulation hobby lol

2 tuntia sitten, kokelas1 sanoi:

Toivon, että MS/Asobo palauttaa FS2020-simulaattoriin tarkan maaston, joka oli simulaattorissa ennen SU16-päivitystä. On vaikea ajatella simulaattoriharras jatkamista, jos erittäin tärkeä osa, simulaattorimaasto, on epäselvä.

Olen ollut simulaattorilentämisen harrastaja yli 40 vuotta ja sitä jatkaa sitä.

 

1 tunti sitten, edpatino sanoi:

Suosittelen käyttämään Map Enhancement Toolia uuden Bing Mapsin kanssa. Maasto näyttää minusta erittäin terävältä ja kirkkaalta.

I do use the Map Enhancenet Tool with the latest Bing Maps. However, I am not satisfied with the sharpness. That add-on does improve the colors of the landscape in most areas.