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Upgrade to Windows 11?

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  • UrgentSiesta
    UrgentSiesta

    Windows 10 is End of Support. I.e., no more security patches.  better to upgrade.  I’ve been on v11 with several simulators for quite awhile now with no issues. 

  • I am not sure if it is worth it in that MSFS runs perfectly fine on both but as UrgentSiesta said Windows 10 is now at end of life and so no more updates and no more security patches; so it is now bes

  • Adamski_NZ
    Adamski_NZ

    Do a quick search on YouTube ... Win11 has been absolutely slated - and Microsoft is rapidly losing market share and revenue. That said, I "upgraded" to Win11 on my Sim PC before I read all that

Every new version of Windows draws criticism. Some of it justified (ME, Vista, Windows 8.0), and some of it not.

For example, people complained that Windows 11 moved the task bar buttons to the centre of the screen. The reason was to reduce mouse pointer travel for the larger displays many poeple now use, and they provided the option to put them back on the left.

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1 hour ago, flyingscampi said:

The reason was to reduce mouse pointer travel for the larger displays many poeple now use

Never thought of that, just figured it was the usual MS clever-dickery.

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Running an unsupported operating system is a really, really bad idea (unless you paid for extended support).  You are risking problems way beyond flight sim.  

I've been in IT for many years and been through many OS upgrades.  Believe me, I get why people hesitate based on the past.  Just mention of Vista or ME should come with a trigger warning.

That said, Windows 11 is not that.  If anything, they should call it WIn 10.5.  A few obvious UI changes happened, but mostly, it is the exact same OS under the hood.  Even at work our upgrade process was painless, and we run tons of oddball Windows programs.  Over all the years I can't rememeber an OS upgrade being this painless.  

Again if your PC hasn't had security updates in months it may already be compromised.  I'm hoping anyone still running 10 bought the extended support at least.  

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1 hour ago, flyingscampi said:

The reason was to reduce mouse pointer travel for the larger displays many people now use, and they provided the option to put them back on the left.

Wow, that is one strange reason for a change. Does the mouse pointer wear out quicker with extended travel? :huh:

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Thanks for all the numerous opinions and valid reasons to move to Windows 11, but I've made my decision, I'm moving back to Windows 3.1.  I loved Windows 3.1, plain and simple.😉

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1 hour ago, tdflightsim said:

Thanks for all the numerous opinions and valid reasons to move to Windows 11, but I've made my decision, I'm moving back to Windows 3.1.  I loved Windows 3.1, plain and simple.😉

I presume you still have those floppy-disks around somewhere, ready to be installed on an MS-DOS computer…🙂

Yes, Windows 3.1 was ground breaking technology of the day…

3 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

Wow, that is one strange reason for a change. Does the mouse pointer wear out quicker with extended travel? :huh:

Sorry, I didn't mean to be confusing.

If your cursor is in the top-right of a super-wide display, it's quicker to reach the task bar buttons at the centre of the screen rather than the far left. 

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3 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

Wow, that is one strange reason for a change. Does the mouse pointer wear out quicker with extended travel? :huh:

Stupid remark. Just think a bit beyond normal use. I've been on a center taskbar already for a long time (pre win 10) and I prefer that over one that sticks to the left side. Just way less mouse travel (read hand movement).

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Change-over to Win11 was not easy (in my situation) but I had to.  As a multimedia producer I had a number of production programs whose new tools were not compatible with Win10.  I had updated almost all of my hardware (except for the case) and kept Win10 at the time so that I could clone everything over (I didn't want to do a reinstall on 60 programs  (for you youngns those are apps).

Once that was successful, I had to change the partitioning of my boot drive from MBR to GPT to be compatible with Win11.  At that point, Win11 refused to install.  I updated to the latest BIOS and tried again - it finally went.

Win11 has been running fine (it took a while to get used to it and set it up the way I wanted but it's good).  MSFS is running well and I have fewer issues than I had with Win10.

Randall Rocke

The big reason for WIN 11 is a TPM (Trusted Platform Module) is now required.  The TPM prevents OS hacking during boot up.

I need to upgrade my computer MB to get one.

dd

Edited by Sky_Pilot071

Windows 11 LTSC is the answer. I have run LTSC editions of 10 and now 11 for 10 years now, and it is amazing. MUCH better than the consumer versions which are frankly disturbing..

I have/had access to LTSC thanks to working for MS back in the day (MSDN + friends who still work there), but there are many easy ways to get it for free. I don't' want to endorse piracy necessarily, but since MS is essentially spoiling Windows 11 for consumers, I'm not too morally outraged if you did it.. 

You can also buy it if you want - https://www.cdw.com/product/win-11-enterprise-ltsc-2024-slng-upgrade/8107756

I strongly recommend LTSC. It just works. in 10+ years never had any issues running any and all software on it. 

You can read up on it here - https://old.reddit.com/r/WindowsLTSC/

Edited by JonathanC

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2 hours ago, Adamski_NZ said:

I've found WinUtil a great help in reducing bloatware

Yes, that's a good tool I use with friends and family. But the beauty of LSTC is - you don't have to do any of it. It's so nice to install and have a clean taskbar, no ads, no garbage AI.. nothing but clean Windows 11. Which is really good once you remove the silly stuff they have built on it. 

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19 hours ago, Sky_Pilot071 said:

The big reason for WIN 11 is a TPM (Trusted Platform Module) is now required.  The TPM prevents OS hacking during boot up.

I need to upgrade my computer MB to get one.

dd

Same. My motherboard is not win11 compatible, it does not have this needed chip. That mean pain in the butt whole upgrade which I'm REALLY not interested in doing or buying. I'll wait for win12.

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