Well, I did the dirty deed at the weekend and Installed Win 11 and MSFS 2024. So for the past three days I've spent reinstalling dozens of apps and addons, still loads more to install! As I literally, wanted a full, clean install. Yesterday I started a quick flight in the PMDG 738, all with default scenery, from Rio De Janeiro. To say I was aghast and disappointed would be an understatement. Yes, the UI has improved in some areas, things seem to be more logically set out, it seems very much smoother, but, what's all this about... when I jump from an external view back into the cockpit, everything is blurry for a second while it loads! Darn awful, ridiculous. But the big issue was the terrain, not just blurry, but unacceptably blurry. I read much about this issue over the past weeks but was convinced it was people's rigs. Wow, with my pretty high end system, I certainly did not expect the kind of issues that I've experienced. The other thing was the clouds, they looked second rate compared to 2020. Also, unless it was my imagination, and this is difficult to describe, but everything looked less 'real' and more 'cartoony.' These were just my initial reactions, even after having trees, grass, rocks, buildings set to ultra or high. I am very unhappy, as I wanted to make this sim work. Today I will follow some further advice on settings, but if things don't change, then I will return to 2020.  Could it be finger trouble at my end? Are there some specific settings I need to know about that affect this? I'd be interested in any suggestions or ideas from anyone who may have some advice or opinions.

Edited April 22Apr 22 by Rocky_53

There are ways to make FS 2024 surely not that blurry.

I have LOD a TOD at 75%

I also download and install locally the aircraft, airports and areas (city and scenery updates) that I fly most of the time.

I only enable photogrammetry when flying helicopters or gliders.

Overall I get a better experience (at least that I can recall) from FS 2024 than I did from FS 2020, and surely a LOT less of CTDs too.

 

5 minutes ago, jcomm said:

There are ways to make FS 2024 surely not that blurry.

I have LOD a TOD at 75%

I also download and install locally the aircraft, airports and areas (city and scenery updates) that I fly most of the time.

I only enable photogrammetry when flying helicopters or gliders.

Overall I get a better experience (at least that I can recall) from FS 2024 than I did from FS 2020, and surely a LOT less of CTDs too.

 

Hmm, and my experience has all been with default, apart from the PMDG.

I’ve hidden one sarcastic comment. Any more will also be hidden. Go and do something more useful with your time.

Howard, your issues are all software setup as what you describe is not 2024 it's absolutely stunning here, textures, weather and all. My default TBH is to panic after spending all of that effort moving only to experience what you describe, but that is a mistake because, once again, you have the hardware. 

You also are new to Win 11?  Do you have all of the usual settings configured for HAGS?  Chipset drivers all current, audio drivers all current, etc?  To panic now would be a sad mistake because once again you have everything required to make this sim sing which is why you see well more users now in 2024 than in 2020 (Steam survey).

Given you description I would start with this if you haven't already:

1.  Delete all Nvidia software from Add/Rem programs, but retain NV Control Panel

2.  Go to System > Recovery > Advanced Startup > Restart Now, then select Safe Mode w/o network.

3.  Now go to Search, Disk Cleanup, and clear the DX shader cache option.

3. Next, run DDU and do the full clean up of the GPU software, except NVCP

4.  Now install the current NV driver, however DO NOT install either the NV App, nor HD Audio Driver.  Reboot, and see how things go from there. 

 

Edited April 22Apr 22 by Noel

Make sure you also don’t have dynamic settings turned on.

2 hours ago, Rocky_53 said:

Are there some specific settings I need to know about that affect this? I'd be interested in any suggestions or ideas from anyone who may have some advice or opinions.

I went through this transition (Installed v2024 SU4 & Win 11) recently and after a week of testing I did the unthinkable and deleted MSFS 2020.

After a couple months of flights and testing, I can tell you that I do NOT regret deleting MSFS 2020. Some of the pics I've taken in v2024 look astonishing. Maybe I should post some pics.

Having said that, there are times when I do see less than stellar sharp ground textures.

There's still an issue after SU4 with the ATC window and the ATC is broken in v2024, but it was also broken in v2020.

The terrain night lighting was still better in most places in v2020, but overall v2024 is better. They still need to reduce the size of the terrain lights. They also need to get rid of PG blocky trees and melted buildings. This is a server issue that needs to be fixed.

Where v2024 shines is in the time it takes to install and load the sim. The EFB & 2024 FP is just excellent, and the performance is outstanding. Way better than v2020. I only use free flight and the market. I don't care about anything else.

The bottom line is, you need to take your time. Check Nvidia Ap settings and game options. Play with these settings. Try AutoFPS, it's a marvel of an ap. Try PG off. Try everything you can, before making a final decision.

After you have exhausted checking all options, if you are still having issues, go back to v2020. Keep in mind that v2020 is not going to get better without add-ons. Don't expect it to get fixed.

I'm still searching for a way to fix the default v2024 ATC so that it works with a an AI traffic add-on. ASOBO, for years, has neglected to fix the broken AI traffic & ATC. BATC is still a work in progress, but it is getting better.

So for me, there's still add-ons to find and try. I enjoy doing it and know that v2024 is my chosen sim and still in development. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Rocky_53 said:

when I jump from an external view back into the cockpit, everything is blurry for a second while it loads! Darn awful, ridiculous. But the big issue was the terrain, not just blurry, but unacceptably blurry. I read much about this issue over the past weeks but was convinced it was people's rigs. Wow, with my pretty high end system, I certainly did not expect the kind of issues that I've experienced. The other thing was the clouds, they looked second rate compared to 2020. Also, unless it was my imagination, and this is difficult to describe, but everything looked less 'real' and more 'cartoony.'

Following the advice in another post, I was able to get 2024 installed last night though the Xbox Game Pass 1$ 14-day trial (I highly recommend that to anyone wondering if 2024 will work on their system, as it is the cheapest way to try the game before committing to the full purchase). My experience is exactly as you describe. We have similar PCs, mine is a little worse actually with an RTX4070, and I noticed all the same things, the blurry 3rd person sweeping camera, the 'cartoonish' filter that seems applied to everything, and bad terrain with and without photogrammetry turned on. My Co-pilot model also looks uncanny and not great. Obviously I have a lot more settings to tweak to make the experience similar to 2020, nevermind better. It is odd that the newer game looks worse with the same graphics settings in the menu as 2020, but I understand there's a lot more going on under the hood, so I get it. The flights were smooth, and the FPS stable, I did feel like the planes looked better and some of the details on the 208 that were missing from 2020 were in 2024, which is nice to see. The planes and plane variety is certainly a big improvement.

The more frustrating issue I had was mapping the controls - couldn't tell you why they felt the need to switch the default layout for the logitech yoke, but all the camera controls had to be rebound, which was annoying more than it was a roadblock to anything. Plenty of dialing in and tweaking setting to do this evening and into the weekend.

6 minutes ago, CFIJose said:

They also need to get rid of PG blocky trees and melted buildings. This is a server issue that needs to be fixed.

It’s not a server issue, but data quality.

And removing trees in towns/cities will probably be impossible without ruining other things.

Edited April 22Apr 22 by Tuskin38

2 hours ago, Rocky_53 said:

.. but, what's all this about... when I jump from an external view back into the cockpit, everything is blurry for a second while it loads! Darn awful, ridiculous.

Yes, absolutely - I am with you on this Rocky.  I am back with 2020 as well.  I just can't stand the jarring effect when moving between inside and outside the cockpit.  Don't they see this at Asobo?
There is no way to fix it, it is a sim issue.  I have wasted hours and hours trying to fix it, which is one of the things I am really bitter about - wasting my limited time.

It was introduced with SU4 (SU3 was great for me and performance was already fine).  Ignore those that say it isn't a problem.  It seems they don't see anything wrong with 2024, yet it is all over YouTube. 
It's a disgrace that a modern 'cutting edge' simulator should be left in this state.  There is delayed rendering going both ways from inside to outside - appalling.

See just one recent example below from YouTube.  Many video creators have now switched to editing the transition between outside view and the cockpit because the effect looks so bad.

 

 

3 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

Ignore those that say it isn't a problem

Because it isn’t a problem.

It’s one of the things that makes 2024 run better than 2020. They unload the stuff you’re not currently looking at to make the sim run better.

Edited April 22Apr 22 by Tuskin38

2 hours ago, Rocky_53 said:

But the big issue was the terrain, not just blurry, but unacceptably blurry. 

Make sure you turn off Dynamic Settings.  Dynamic Settings is on be default. If it is on, MSFS 2024 will try to preserve the target frame per second (FPS) that you have set. But in order the preserve the FPS you have set, it will tank the graphics, including making everything blurry, so that you can keep your target FPS.

The disadvantage of turning Dynamic Settings off is that your FPS may go lower, and you may even encounter stutters, but your ground textures and the terrain won't be blurry anymore.  But if you are stuttering after you have turned Dynamic Settings off, it's an indication that you graphics settings you have set, is too high for the hardware that you have.  

Many people also complain about the state of "weather" in v2024. I find the weather and the way airplane reacts to wind much better than it was in v2020. Maybe it's my FSRealistic Pro settings or v2024 turbulence on "realistic" setting, but IMO, it's just feels more realistic, especially as you approach the runway. Awesome feeling!

14 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

Make sure you also don’t have dynamic settings turned on.

This is one of the most important points. FPS will be much better, but the scenery will be blurrier, lower TLOD, and AG is reduced.

I remember that it was one of the 1st things I had to figure out. AutoFPS does a much better job than the default Dynamic setting. 

1 hour ago, Rocky_53 said:

Hmm, and my experience has all been with default, apart from the PMDG.

Then, try to download and install from your Library a couple of them just to check...