Does the book author receive any royalty from library use by probably hundreds or thousands of readers of that single copy?

In fact, I understand in the EU they do....at least in some countries.E-books really complicate matters

Bob- Does the book author receive any royalty from library use by probably hundreds or thousands of readers of that single copy? Does the author see me as a freeloader?--------------(No, don't think I've ever seen a Palm Pilot. Heck, I was retired long before I even saw a PC- let alone owned one & still haven't figured out how to download.) Reading a real paper book in your favourite recliner is one of life's noble pleasures! - as is a smooth FS IFR landing in 1/4 mile vis!Season's Greetings Alex Reid

I don't use the library much any more. Don't really know how all that works. Could be one of thoes mysteries of life to me. I do envy you. I'm 58 and will probably never be able to retire. My recliner sits in front of my TV. I don't waste time with TV programing, but I do like to rent movies. A Palm Pilot is a little bigger than an iphone. Small enough to carry around so that I can read anywhere. You know, on the bus, or in the doctors waiting room(something I seem to be doing more of, lately.Bob

You know, on the bus, or in the doctors waiting room(something I seem to be doing more of, lately.Bob

Not a good sign Bob!

Does the book author receive any royalty from library use by probably hundreds or thousands of readers of that single copy?

In the UK the current amount paid to authors is

All products sold through the Flight1 wrapper can be reinstalled without issue. Thus there is no need to go to a pirate site to obtain that which you have legal right to have.

True, however I was referring to rightseater's post about downloading pirated software in the first place, I'm trying to point out the grey areas that exist with disc copies, not trying to validate it... I was only trying to point out that sometimes, if you were to just prosecute everyone who downloaded torrents of games, you would have a lot of collateral damage, including legit customers who are just trying to fix an issue they are having with a hard copy of a product they bought. I know that dlc usually doesn't have this issue.

I don't use the library much any more. Don't really know how all that works. Could be one of thoes mysteries of life to me. I do envy you. I'm 58 and will probably never be able to retire. My recliner sits in front of my TV. I don't waste time with TV programing, but I do like to rent movies. A Palm Pilot is a little bigger than an iphone. Small enough to carry around so that I can read anywhere. You know, on the bus, or in the doctors waiting room(something I seem to be doing more of, lately.Bob

Palm Pilots aren't even really used anymore, now it's all smart phones... I recently downloaded wattpad for my phone, and I couldn't believe it, they had enough scifi to keep me occupied for a LONG time (1984 and starship troopers anyone?), let alone the classics such as the illyad and the odyssey...

True, however I was referring to rightseater's post about downloading pirated software in the first place, I'm trying to point out the grey areas that exist with disc copies, not trying to validate it... I was only trying to point out that sometimes, if you were to just prosecute everyone who downloaded torrents of games, you would have a lot of collateral damage, including legit customers who are just trying to fix an issue they are having with a hard copy of a product they bought. I know that dlc usually doesn't have this issue.

No, that wouldn't really apply to what I'm suggesting. I would suggest prosecuting individuals who have stolen multiple files. I highly doubt that someone who has pirated 20 flight sim addons in a week is replacing legit copies. Plus, I'm talking about actually prosecuting them. That means there would have been an investigation and it would be determined if they had ever legitimately purchased the product they were replacing.

No, that wouldn't really apply to what I'm suggesting. I would suggest prosecuting individuals who have stolen multiple files. I highly doubt that someone who has pirated 20 flight sim addons in a week is replacing legit copies. Plus, I'm talking about actually prosecuting them. That means there would have been an investigation and it would be determined if they had ever legitimately purchased the product they were replacing.

Alright, that's understandable then, I was just wary of what some may call "cowboy justice".

Hello,

No, that wouldn't really apply to what I'm suggesting. I would suggest prosecuting individuals who have stolen multiple files. I highly doubt that someone who has pirated 20 flight sim addons in a week is replacing legit copies. Plus, I'm talking about actually prosecuting them. That means there would have been an investigation and it would be determined if they had ever legitimately purchased the product they were replacing.

This will happen perhaps in a country called Dreamland Republic. The police, crime investigators on the internet have other more important tasks to execute. Of course there leisurely stroll lawsuits against pirates and how it manages to be shown on the front page of newspapers. What does it mean when you know the number of softwares downloaded illegally every day on the internet? The pirate has less chance to appear in court he has of winning the lotto. It is obvious that if the police would carry out arrests and subsequent prosecutions they would have good results. What about the money and congestion in the courts .. all for a meager result (the culprits are most often insolvent) The final blow media (Piratebay) of anti-piracy is a good example ... How much does it cost? how much it paid and for what results? Piratebay is still active .... So the developers as to find piracy countermeasures .. and do not dream about a hunting pirates by theirself and the help of the police.Regards.Gus.

So the developers as to find piracy countermeasures .. and do not dream about a hunting pirates by theirself and the help of the police.

Exactly. In many countries dowloading is not a criminal offence. It is an infringement of copyright and a civil matter for the copyright holder to pursue through the courts.The Digital Economy Bill now going through the UK Parliament will introduce the following procedure:

• If a copyright holder believes its copyright has been infringed by a subscriber it can report the subscriber to its ISP
• the ISP must notify the subscriber of the report
• the ISP must keep track of the number of reports against each subscriber and compile, on an anonymous basis, lists of subscribers
• the copyright holder may obtain a court injunction requiring the ISP to provide personal details of subscribers
• the copyright holder may then take civil legal action against those on the list.

That's clearly a lengthy process but Parliament isn't going to pass any law that would punish people on the simple word of the music and movie industries - much as the industry might want that.If this law doesn't reduce infringment sufficiently then other measures may be intoduced such as slowing, or even cutting-off, internet access. These would be of doubtful legality.It's important to note that this does not make downloading a criminal offence, The reasons are that the police, prosecuting authorities and courts have more important things to do. Another reason is that criminal case must be proved beyond reasonable doubt whersas civil cases are decided on the basis of balance of probabilities. Beyond reasonable doubt would be difficult to setablish if a PC has several users. Also, regardless of the law, juries could acquit if they felt that the wealth and power of the industry was being deploying agaunst a relatively weak and powerless individual.The industry must take its own steps to protect against piracy.

One recurring theme I see in this discussion... it's completely and totally on the developer's shoulders to deal with the issue. The rest of the 'community' isn't responsible one way or the other.Kinda like when you're standing on your front porch watching someone break into your neighbor's house and walk off with all their valuables. It's only your neighbor's responsibility to deal with the theft, not yours.

Palm Pilots aren't even really used anymore, now it's all smart phones... I recently downloaded wattpad for my phone, and I couldn't believe it, they had enough scifi to keep me occupied for a LONG time (1984 and starship troopers anyone?), let alone the classics such as the illyad and the odyssey...

Yup.Looking into getting the new DROID. Voice-guided GPS, eReader, email,web brouser, 30 GB mp3 player, runs multiple apps at once, 5mp camera, and (oh yes)phone.Ereader .com saves a copy of each book I buy in my account. I download each book to my PC, then transfer it to my Palm. Each book is coded to my Palm software so that only my Palm can open it to be read. My wife has a Palm also, but because of the security, can't open any of my books on her device. If my Palm take a dive, I can reload from my PC. If my PC takes a dive, then I can reload from the my account on the eReader site.Bob

One recurring theme I see in this discussion... it's completely and totally on the developer's shoulders to deal with the issue. The rest of the 'community' isn't responsible one way or the other.Kinda like when you're standing on your front porch watching someone break into your neighbor's house and walk off with all their valuables. It's only your neighbor's responsibility to deal with the theft, not yours.

If I saw a crime being committed I would call the police. However, in the UK where I live, infringement of copyright isn't a crime and the police wouldn't be interested. What is the "community" supposed to do to protect developers? More specifically, what am I supposed to do?

Yup.Looking into getting the new DROID. Voice-guided GPS, eReader, email,web brouser, 30 GB mp3 player, runs multiple apps at once, 5mp camera, and (oh yes)phone.Ereader .com saves a copy of each book I buy in my account. I download each book to my PC, then transfer it to my Palm. Each book is coded to my Palm software so that only my Palm can open it to be read. My wife has a Palm also, but because of the security, can't open any of my books on her device. If my Palm take a dive, I can reload from my PC. If my PC takes a dive, then I can reload from the my account on the eReader site.Bob

Sounds a bit like Steam.

If I saw a crime being committed I would call the police. However, in the UK where I live, infringement of copyright isn't a crime and the police wouldn't be interested. What is the "community" supposed to do to protect developers? More specifically, what am I supposed to do?

Change the laws.

Hello,

Change the laws.

And very important (if those laws are in force) .. beginning the process of building new jails (huge ones !)Methink .. many countries will stop economic activities by the lack of personnal .. and many schools will be empty LOL.Imagine the cost for the taxpayers (if it still some .... )Regards.Gus.