How ironic is that, your IFR approaches cancelled due to weather.

I believe he said his VFR lessons have been scrubbed due to weather. He said he decided to go up once with a CFII and do air work and then do an ILS back to the airport.

Thats great news and thanks for the info.Question though; are the SAITEK panels supported; switch-, multi- and A/P panel?thanks big!

Oh, the pains of rental cost. "No body knowssss, the trouble I've seen."I can rent a 182RG for $117 wet. GNS430 equipped and all. Such is the "norm" in the SE United States. There's no wonder students come from all over the globe to fly here in North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida! After hearing those New Zealand prices I actually felt a little depressed for you, Matthew! :Worried:Our school is thinking of adding a fuel surcharge of $5 to alleviate the fuel cost while they are so high. I just don't see operating an R182 for $117 an hour...

Let me be the first in saying I hate you. :( I work two jobs just to afford the $110 hr/wet with $50/hr instructor. Getting from 250 hours to the 1500 I'll need to even be LOOKED AT by a small junk-basket air operation already sounds like an impossible task. If renting a 150 was 8.50 hr/wet I'd probably already be Captain at some regional Airline. :( Those definitely do sound like good days, Ray!

I bought a used Cessna 150 from the Opa-Locke training center in South Florida in 1973, sight unseen and had a CFI fly it to South Mississippi for the price of a one-way plane ticket back to Miami from Mobile. The plane had 0 hours since major, new interior incl. seat covers, carpet, headlner and rear child seat. new paint (my choice of colors w/ my personal N reg #) and basic IFR instrumentation. I think I paid $5,500 total for the plane. I financed it with a local bank and signed up 5 new private pilot students for $500 total for a PPL provided they could solo. This included all flight time, fuel, CFI fees and ground school to pass the written test. I think 3 of the 5 completed the course and got the license. One flunked his medical and the other just gave up - didn't like the bumps. I rented the plane out at $10/hour wet and enjoyed killing time punching holes in the clouds and dreaming of owning a 182.The Opa-Locke center had an arrangement with the local junior college where the students did all the mechanical, interiors, paint, etc under the supervision of A&P mechanics so there was not any real costs involved. You just had to know someone.Ray

Obviously it's not going to be $150, and you have also now heard this straight from the devs too. But I think it's somehow good to acknowledge the fact that enormous undertakings are required to create replicas of airliners to a PC ... let's face it... game.I am not sure if that many of you remember Lou Betti (lotsa newbies in the scene), but even though I didn't agree with Lou on many things, there's something that I could always agree with, that Lou repeatedly said. The price of 100s or even 1000s of hours of enjoyment is very low, even if the product did cost $150. And when you compare that to a night out at the bars or eating nicely with your wife / girlfriend. Some argue that "even FSX doesn't cost that much". True! But FSX sold +1 Million copies. And it's a platform, not a dedicated hyper-simulation of something.I am an M.Sc engineer myself by profession, and I know a little something about complexity in technical things. It's one thing to actually design and build an airliner in the "real world". And another to build it in the sim. But if you stop to think about it, the pilot is always at the arrow's end on all of the things that are going on in the airplane around him. And that is (mostly) available in FS, even though you cannot drink virtual coffee or slap virtual air hostesses on their... shoulders :). It's amazing how much of the real thing can be copied to FS. Many of us have been around long... and know that there was a time when we were in pure AWE when we were able to click "LNAV" and see the sim follow a thick magenta line :). That was pure awesomeness... Now. We are about to get our hands on a sim that will probably be good enough for training new NG pilots on. Think about it. What would You have paid for such an opportunity in... 1999 or 2001 ? I know I would've paid a little bit more than $150 even ;).Sorry for OT. Tero

Yes, I agree with Tero. At the moment I pay 230 US dollars to fly 60 minutes with C172 (year 2002) and it hasn't got even a G1000! But I'm not whining because every hobby costs you some money - my does a bit more than a typical one I guess.When it comes to the price of NGX - 150 dollars isn't much when you compare it to flying a real thing - or flying a Cessna. Let's make a calculation: I fly the NGX for 500 hours in a year with my computer. That costs me the price of the product, let's say it would be 150 dollars even if it wouldn't. Then I get monthly a bill from the local electric power supplier. If my computer was on for, let's say, 1000 hours it still wouldn't cost me much. I don't have that much of interest to calculate how much that would be right now. So, for some 300 dollars I would get to fly 500 hours with very realistic (?) 737 simulation.Then, let's calculate the cost of 500 hours with C172 in Finland. Yes.... you calculated it right. 115 000 dollars.Now, yes the cost of flying with NGX doesn't include your new shiny computer, scenery addons, etc, etc... But the real PPL is also money.So tell me, why do you make such a big deal about the price if you don't even know it yet. If you use the NGX a lot, 150 dollars isn't just a lot... It's very understandable after all effort and man hours given to the product.Just my few cents.Aleksi Lindén

This whole thread is getting OT...

Yes, I agree with Tero. At the moment I pay 230 US dollars to fly 60 minutes with C172 (year 2002) and it hasn't got even a G1000! But I'm not whining because every hobby costs you some money - my does a bit more than a typical one I guess.When it comes to the price of NGX - 150 dollars isn't much when you compare it to flying a real thing - or flying a Cessna. Let's make a calculation: I fly the NGX for 500 hours in a year with my computer. That costs me the price of the product, let's say it would be 150 dollars even if it wouldn't. Then I get monthly a bill from the local electric power supplier. If my computer was on for, let's say, 1000 hours it still wouldn't cost me much. I don't have that much of interest to calculate how much that would be right now. So, for some 300 dollars I would get to fly 500 hours with very realistic (?) 737 simulation.Then, let's calculate the cost of 500 hours with C172 in Finland. Yes.... you calculated it right. 115 000 dollars.Now, yes the cost of flying with NGX doesn't include your new shiny computer, scenery addons, etc, etc... But the real PPL is also money.So tell me, why do you make such a big deal about the price if you don't even know it yet. If you use the NGX a lot, 150 dollars isn't just a lot... It's very understandable after all effort and man hours given to the product.Just my few cents.Aleksi Lindén

C'mon, please discuss this another place.... :(

Question though; are the SAITEK panels supported; switch-, multi- and A/P panel?

+1, I'd enjoy using the full features of the switch panel. Perhaps this feature will be customizable through the SDK?

It's around $550 upwards per hour for flying lessons here in Australia in an R22 helicopter and you can expect to spend between $35k and $40k just to get a Private Pilot Licence (PPL) for a rotary aircraft. For a Cessna, it's slightly over $200 (about $220 I think) at the (I did say "the", as there is only one) flying school near me. For fixed wing, it's closer to $15k for the PPL. No wonder so few take this as a career option these days and is also why airlines are starting to work with flying academies to share the financial burden with prospective future pilots provided they stay with the airline for a set period of time. It's an arrangement not too dissimilar from that in the Royal Australian Air Force where a pilot is required to commit to a certain number of years with the RAAF as part of hi/her return of service obligation before they can leave if they wish.

Wow, thought the UK was expensive, its around £120 - £180 per hour in the Piper Warrior, a little less for 2 seaters, and a course for the ppl is around £7000 - £8000! I was seriously thinking of doing the fast track ppl in Florida a few years back, that was going to cost in the region of £5000, so quite a saving!Too expensive for me anyway, I tend now to just do an hour whenever I have the cash, time and good weather!

I feel mine and Aleksi's posts were much more appropriate analysis of the pricing situation than 90% of the junk (such as the post by yourself) that are nothing more than constant whining and/or demands on another update, a question on some NGX feature that has been repeated 100 times already. Or forum-copping other users for whatever just comes to mind.Looks like you youngsters only approve either status updates or the constant whining about it.Tero

Thank you sir, for calling me youngster :( (born in 1959)And if you did a check on my post's, can you find any whining about updates from me?So please, do not come here and ask me to shut up!I just tell u that your discuss can you do in another post!!!

Thank you sir, for calling me youngster :( (born in 1959)And if you did a check on my post's, can you find any whining about updates from me?So please, do not come here and ask me to shut up!I just tell u that your discuss can you do in another post!!!

Ok.Tero

Stein-Ove Rud,can you tell us why can't we discuss about pricing of this product in a thread which is meant to be discussed about NGX? I feel that my post and Tero's post were more suitable for this thread than 80% of other "wow", "looks great" posts in here.Aleksi

Pricing discussion is frowned upon and is not allowed per the forum rules.

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