But that blue on the PFD looks colder to me, so you actually get sucked in and kicked back out then. What? Scientific discussion? Where?Don't we all hope for some soon PMDG release then, so that the 1:1 thing can take place and the real thread wars can start?I mean, that old 'my 767 is better than yours!' runs since years, without losing any spin. So we now can enjoy a 737 variation on that entertaining issue.

Scientific discussion? Oh, just about, say, five hundred years' worth on the theory of perspective. The Renaissance, Leonardo (not the Maddog one), y'know, stuff like that... :( Agreed that the discussions will be better (or maybe worse, but at least richer) when the PMDG version comes out and we can roll our own, so to speak...

Scientific discussion? Oh, just about, say, five hundred years' worth on the theory of perspective. The Renaissance, Leonardo (not the Maddog one), y'know, stuff like that... :( Agreed that the discussions will be better (or maybe worse, but at least richer) when the PMDG version comes out and we can roll our own, so to speak...

Don't worry, I actually believe your and Alan's statements about photographic impressions and setups, I have some female running around in my house with that knowledge too. I was just stressing that these are "just" some shots, done in the way I do them, pressing the button and hoping for a good outcome.But, hey, flight sim stuff can be art, no doubts. And it can enjoy people and make them happy, they just have to pay it first.And because it's art of some kind, that personal preference will influence some "logical" opinions severely. I have some highly praises (and prized) things on my HDD, but I tend to use the more happy ones often enough. You can't explain that with sheer logics, that's my point.Two (new) variations of a 737 are coming up (one is there though), so we will never find out which one is the better thing, regardless of the amount of pics and vids, but we will always fight that status. Paradox, isn't it?

Bought it, didn't test it yet. Windows it doing its backup and, as always, that Windows Backup is an absolute performance hog.Anyway, sine I already ot the FS9 iFly 737, getting the FSX version is not even a question. For $15 it is probably absolutely worth it. When the PMDG 737NGX comes out, I'll probably get that one too and we'll see what plane I end up flying most. Perhaps both of them end up being flown equally often, we'll see. When comparing those two shots, I can't deny that the PMDG VC looks a lot better, but I like the colors of the iFly cockpit more. So as I said, we'll see who ends up getting more screentime.

Honestly, I wish iFly had spent their time and talent modeling a different plane so I could send some patronage their way. [/size][/font]

But how wonderful it is for the Boeing boys right now. Imagine if us Airbus fans had two new top-of-the range A320s to argue over... :biggrin:Ian

They are working on it. You are right, I forgot about that special battlefield.

Don't worry, I actually believe your and Alan's statements about photographic impressions and setups, I have some female running around in my house with that knowledge too. I was just stressing that these are "just" some shots, done in the way I do them, pressing the button and hoping for a good outcome.But, hey, flight sim stuff can be art, no doubts. And it can enjoy people and make them happy, they just have to pay it first.And because it's art of some kind, that personal preference will influence some "logical" opinions severely. I have some highly praises (and prized) things on my HDD, but I tend to use the more happy ones often enough. You can't explain that with sheer logics, that's my point.Two (new) variations of a 737 are coming up (one is there though), so we will never find out which one is the better thing, regardless of the amount of pics and vids, but we will always fight that status. Paradox, isn't it?

Oh, agreed. And although none of us really wants to admit it, a lot of successful photos are happy accidents...I was just trying to point out that people who like the iFly shot may be responding to the composition, even if they're not fully aware of that.To me they both look good, in different ways.And I've always liked the idea of flightsim as a kind of art form. I mean, technical correctness and all that, great, but at the end of the day you're trying to create the illusion of flying an airplane, which seems like an art thing, at least to me.Paradox? Maybe. But it'll be even more fun when they're both out and the arguments get really hot... :(

But how wonderful it is for the Boeing boys right now. Imagine if us Airbus fans had two new top-of-the range A320s to argue over... :biggrin:Ian

At least FS Labs is on the case...

If you're running full screen you'll get that - use the fmc function 'SIMU'DJ

Thanks for that help,DJ.Much appreciated.Will try.

My first impression is, I LOVE IT!FPS are acceptable. Don't let the low fps fool you. This bird is silky smooth.

I completely concur with regard to the smoothness; the FPS is fine. I'm thoroughly enjoying this aircraft.Regards,Bob Lyddy

Okay, some info from a more comprehensive test flight:I took the iFly 737-800 from EGCC Manchester to LEAM Almeria. This is a test flight route which I normally use for airliners on reviews and such, because it requires a SID on the way out and a STAR or radar vectors for the approach. There is invariably a weather shift over the Bay of Biscay en-route, and it is a tricky descent over the Sierra Nevada mountain range of southern Spain (in fact, the defaul FS ATC will sometimes put you into that terrain). Almeria is a fairly short runway but it does have ILS. Being on the coast it can be turbulent on approach, often with a crosswind component, so overall this is a good international test flight route for a medium jet, which in reality, invariably gets flown by 757s for the most part and I've made that trip for real a number of times, usually with Monarch Airlines.I planned the flight using Topcat to suss out the fuel load. It does work it out all okay, but did not put the info on the kneeboard on the iFly in FSX, but it did connect and change the fuel load and pax/cargo in FSX. I used the default FSX flight planner to plot an IFR high altitude airways route, and then edited that slightly when keying it in manually to the FMC, also manually editing the FS plan and resaving it so Radar Contact (which I used for the ATC) would have the same route as the FMC. I manually keyed in the Topcat take off settings etc to the FMC. I used Active Sky Evolution for the weather and also entered that data into the iFly's FMC.The taxi and take off was perfectly fine and I hand flew the departure initially on by following the flight director cues for the SID until getting vectors from ATC, whereupon I followed those until I could use LNAV and VNAV. Fully automatic flight worked flawlessly (with the caveat that the yoke can easily cause an autopilot disengagement if you are not careful, which is a known issue with the iFly).Despite ASE throwing in some weather changes, the autopilot coped admirably and I never even came close to getting an overspeed in the cruise at .79 Mach. I tested the FSX accelerated time at x4 when the FMC route had a 20 degree turn coming up, and it managed this just fine, only going a little wide of the path and correcting quickly and smoothly, which not all FSX aircraft do, notably the Ariane FSX NG, which can struggle sometimes with LNAV on accelerated time.Even on the descent still under LNAV and VNAV the iFly held the speed under the overspeed marker well, so the autothrottle is good in this respect (The Ariane FSX NG has some difficulty managing that by comparison, usually requiring manual intervention to keep the speed down). When getting down to about 19,000 feet I left the FMC plan and flew vectors using heading hold and level change on the MCP. There was a minor glitch here, the heading hold required me to kick the autopilot off and back on before the turn would commence after a heading change one time, but apart from that small and easily solved issue it worked just fine. Radar vectors were for an ILS approach into LEAM and this worked absolutely without flaw, but at five miles even though it was looking good, I took over manually to land the thing just to see how good it would switch from a stable auto approach. It does this well, and the touchdown was smooth even though I had to cope with a bit of a crosswind. Spoilers deployed correctly and I didn't even need to use reversers, proving that Topcat's predicted approach speeds matched pretty well with what the iFly did for its fuel burn en-route, although I actually ended up using a bit less fuel than the Topcat prediction.As part of this test, I also tested the stability of the thing by starting this flight last night, flying halfway, then going to bed for six hours leaving it paused, then I came back to it and carried on with the flight, frequently alt-tabbing out of it and switching from full screen to windowed mode. With both Radar Contact and ASE running too, I thought this might risk an out of memory crash, but it did not, so the iFly is certainly a stable add-on.Overall I was very impressed with it, with my only real gripe being the well-known propensity for the iFly's autopilot to drop out of LNAV or VNAV if you so much as breathe on the stick, but dropping the stick sensitivity does mostly alleviate that to be fair.Can't complain at that kind of performance when it only cost me Nine Quid, but keep in mind that price was because I'd already forked out for the FS9 version.Al

HelloTo be honest I prefer the i-Fly shot, may just be the lighting in the shots though.

It's the lighting that makes these shots impossible to compare. In fact, it is the way to bright lighting (somebody said "sunroof" :( ) that makes it cartoonish for me. Just looking at dimensions, resolution and overall "solidness" I strongly prefer the PMDG. I have jumpseated on dozens of NG flights and the PMDG NGX feels more "at home". I believe iFly made a fantastic first attempt at the NG, but I feel PMDG's experience and partnership with Boeing is (almost) impossible to beat.About PMDG's customer support; I own their current NG, 747, 747X and MD11 and I've never had any complaints.About value for money, we can't say much at this time... Only time will tell. Personally, I don't care how much the NGX will cost.

Personally, I don't care how much the NGX will cost.

Me too, even if it cost 200 quid, I'd still buy it. You will get what you pay for with PMDG.Al

I think the lighting in the iFly version looks like its got a sunroof open :) A couple of years ago I had the opportunity to look in the 737 cockpit and I have to say that the Ifly looks very similar

That kind of brightness is only under very specific light conditions. Like I said, you can't compare these shots by lighting.

What do people think of it's climb performance? It seems to be different then other complex models. Specifically in VNAV accelerating above 10000 feet to cruise speed, even with a heavy fuel and payload. In other complex models, PMDG, LDS, and including 737 models like the Wilco 737, and Ariane 737, the plane will decrease it's climb rate, usually to about 1000 to 1500fpm. With this one I'm seeing climb rates 2500+fpm, while the aircraft still manages to accelerate. This is with a cost index of 50. Now as I'm not a R/W pilot, this may be completely realistic, it's just different then what I've seen. Also if I remember right, this was an issue with the FS2004 model when it was first released? Other than that, I like this model, except the sensitivity, of it's click points, which makes it difficult at times to click the right button. For example I went to start engine 1 with my mouse right on the stat switch, instead I turned off the APU when I clicked it. From the pilot seat it's just about impossible to click on the switch 3 of the Window heat. Instead it clicks the test button. It works fine from the Co Pilot seat.

Just purchased this product and now I'm installing the liveries. I like all the different options in the configuration tool. Will report back to say if this product is for me and if I will ask for a refund or not.

Me too, even if it cost 200 quid, I'd still buy it. You will get what you pay for with PMDG.

Think about it, Alan, you can get some fancy printed manuals for just 100 more. But more seriously, if I had to judge about shown arrogance and/or professionalism in this (ongoing) 737 race, the odds would favour the iFly, not only because of it's surely lower price regarding the variants package.I mean, you can spot the commercial marked dev names in the status bar of this thread and you can then enter the "private" section at PMDG to spot some very, very unprofessional and arrogant thread titles, set up by the devs itself.If you then enter the also private iFly forums, you won't see a single one of such kind and maybe this mood is a thing to added to the equation for quite some buyers.Confidence is a nice thing, but it's close to arrogance and the boarders aren't always sharp.I have no doubt that iFly reacts to (future) user wishes and I also have no doubt that customers don't have to wait long for fixes or patches. If I then look at some still awaited MD11 or J41 SP and the corresponding waiting time for only small fixes, I can also spot a difference which doesn't make me want to say that 'any price will be the right one'.As you see, viewpoints differ, the above one is mine of course. But if this comparison race has one useful outcome, it may be the subtext concerning some things and items and everyone is free to judge if nice (or not so nice) cockpit colours really differentiate products or if the company policies may be considered too.Stressing to be very confident and 'totally independent from any competitors release' while acting like this doesn't show very calm characters, it reveals the opposite.Impressive to say 'I saw him coming' while the enemy already sits on your couch, causing you to run around in circles. Your circling makes him feel the winner, not his intention.Does it need thread titles like 'This is what an NG REALLY looks like' (sic!)? Does this show professionalism or maybe something else? And, by the way, who triggered this behaviour?I may like a PMDG 737 more than the iFly one, or I may not, but I don't like this arrogant experience, that's for sure.So, Captain's, start behaving like people of this degree, even in your private rooms. :(