Guys,I am going to own both the PMDG and Ifly versions of this aircraft. Why? I think Ifly is a GREAT value for the money and those guys are very very responsive on the forums. They also did a very nice job on the aircraft overall. I have no doubt that they will fix the smaller issues that bit them at release and continue to improve on their product. I like these guys!I would consider developers like FTX and PMDG/Real Air to be tier 1 developers in this space with lots of experience and resources to deliver the absolutely best FSX products in the world. Naturally, I will continue purchasing from them. I am willing to pay more for their products because I know what kind of quality I am getting.

I merged it with the default 738 VC. I'm getting 50% more frames, and have the Ifly PFD and ND displayed in it. I also like the dimensions better of the default VC, Ifly's front cockpit windows seem too small, it's very hard to look over the glareshield. Otherwise I like the plane. Actually the default 738 Vc suits this plane well in terms of color. The VC is also at the right height, unlike the default 738. FSX did a great job on the 738 VC, I haven´t seen a better one when it comes to the exact dimensions.

The way it seems now is that Ifly cockpit windows look too small and PMDG´s look too big, but this could be an angle issue. So I think I will stick to my merge, unless PMDG´s got very high FPS, which I don´t expect.

Think about it, Alan, you can get some fancy printed manuals for just 100 more. But more seriously, if I had to judge about shown arrogance and/or professionalism in this (ongoing) 737 race, the odds would favour the iFly, not only because of it's surely lower price regarding the variants package.I mean, you can spot the commercial marked dev names in the status bar of this thread and you can then enter the "private" section at PMDG to spot some very, very unprofessional and arrogant thread titles, set up by the devs itself.If you then enter the also private iFly forums, you won't see a single one of such kind and maybe this mood is a thing to added to the equation for quite some buyers.Confidence is a nice thing, but it's close to arrogance and the boarders aren't always sharp.I have no doubt that iFly reacts to (future) user wishes and I also have no doubt that customers don't have to wait long for fixes or patches. If I then look at some still awaited MD11 or J41 SP and the corresponding waiting time for only small fixes, I can also spot a difference which doesn't make me want to say that 'any price will be the right one'.As you see, viewpoints differ, the above one is mine of course. But if this comparison race has one useful outcome, it may be the subtext concerning some things and items and everyone is free to judge if nice (or not so nice) cockpit colours really differentiate products or if the company policies may be considered too.Stressing to be very confident and 'totally independent from any competitors release' while acting like this doesn't show very calm characters, it reveals the opposite.Impressive to say 'I saw him coming' while the enemy already sits on your couch, causing you to run around in circles. Your circling makes him feel the winner, not his intention.Does it need thread titles like 'This is what an NG REALLY looks like' (sic!)? Does this show professionalism or maybe something else? And, by the way, who triggered this behaviour?I may like a PMDG 737 more than the iFly one, or I may not, but I don't like this arrogant experience, that's for sure.So, Captain's, start behaving like people of this degree, even in your private rooms. :(

I agree totally. I have been following PMDG and IFly for a long time, and have been looking forward to both being released. I now have the IFly and like it very much. And I know I will get the PMDG version as well, but the actions of SOME of these people really turns me off towards PMDG. By the way I own PMDG 747, MD11 and the 41. We are a very small group of people (simmers) lets celebrate when we have wonderful releases. Message to the SOME people (and you know who you are) GROW UP!!!!RegardsGlen

Think about it, Alan, you can get some fancy printed manuals for just 100 more. But more seriously, if I had to judge about shown arrogance and/or professionalism in this (ongoing) 737 race, the odds would favour the iFly, not only because of it's surely lower price regarding the variants package.I mean, you can spot the commercial marked dev names in the status bar of this thread and you can then enter the "private" section at PMDG to spot some very, very unprofessional and arrogant thread titles, set up by the devs itself.If you then enter the also private iFly forums, you won't see a single one of such kind and maybe this mood is a thing to added to the equation for quite some buyers.Confidence is a nice thing, but it's close to arrogance and the boarders aren't always sharp.I have no doubt that iFly reacts to (future) user wishes and I also have no doubt that customers don't have to wait long for fixes or patches. If I then look at some still awaited MD11 or J41 SP and the corresponding waiting time for only small fixes, I can also spot a difference which doesn't make me want to say that 'any price will be the right one'.As you see, viewpoints differ, the above one is mine of course. But if this comparison race has one useful outcome, it may be the subtext concerning some things and items and everyone is free to judge if nice (or not so nice) cockpit colours really differentiate products or if the company policies may be considered too.Stressing to be very confident and 'totally independent from any competitors release' while acting like this doesn't show very calm characters, it reveals the opposite.Impressive to say 'I saw him coming' while the enemy already sits on your couch, causing you to run around in circles. Your circling makes him feel the winner, not his intention.Does it need thread titles like 'This is what an NG REALLY looks like' (sic!)? Does this show professionalism or maybe something else? And, by the way, who triggered this behaviour?I may like a PMDG 737 more than the iFly one, or I may not, but I don't like this arrogant experience, that's for sure.So, Captain's, start behaving like people of this degree, even in your private rooms. :(

Very well said and I totally agree with you.

I agree totally. I have been following PMDG and IFly for a long time, and have been looking forward to both being released. I now have the IFly and like it very much. And I know I will get the PMDG version as well, but the actions of SOME of these people really turns me off towards PMDG. By the way I own PMDG 747, MD11 and the 41. We are a very small group of people (simmers) lets celebrate when we have wonderful releases. Message to the SOME people (and you know who you are) GROW UP!!!!RegardsGlen

I too own the 747, MD11 and JS41 but I have to say I don't like the way PMDG have put the needs of their existing user base on hold to get this product to market. I agree with some of the sentiments expressed, PMDG may have the experience and the expertise but is that the whole measure of a company?Bryan.

Inevitably there will be comparison's between these new NGX's. The iFly version is excellent and an excellent first run out of the gates for iFly. There are textures, HUGS and a few small things that can be done better. However, I can not conceive of any part of this aircraft that can be left in the dust. I have no clue of the break temperatures are modeled accurately, but this is in the details if you ask my opinion. I plan to own both NGX's (already own the iFly), but can say that I think iFly has entered the realm with the big boys with their first release.

Impressive to say 'I saw him coming' while the enemy already sits on your couch, causing you to run around in circles. Your circling makes him feel the winner, not his intention.Does it need thread titles like 'This is what an NG REALLY looks like' (sic!)? Does this show professionalism or maybe something else? And, by the way, who triggered this behaviour?I may like a PMDG 737 more than the iFly one, or I may not, but I don't like this arrogant experience, that's for sure.So, Captain's, start behaving like people of this degree, even in your private rooms. :(

Gotta say, I thought it was a totally without class when Vin posted that thread title. A uncalled for cheap shot.

Think about it, Alan, you can get some fancy printed manuals for just 100 more. But more seriously, if I had to judge about shown arrogance and/or professionalism in this (ongoing) 737 race, the odds would favour the iFly, not only because of it's surely lower price regarding the variants package.I mean, you can spot the commercial marked dev names in the status bar of this thread and you can then enter the "private" section at PMDG to spot some very, very unprofessional and arrogant thread titles, set up by the devs itself.If you then enter the also private iFly forums, you won't see a single one of such kind and maybe this mood is a thing to added to the equation for quite some buyers.Confidence is a nice thing, but it's close to arrogance and the boarders aren't always sharp.I have no doubt that iFly reacts to (future) user wishes and I also have no doubt that customers don't have to wait long for fixes or patches. If I then look at some still awaited MD11 or J41 SP and the corresponding waiting time for only small fixes, I can also spot a difference which doesn't make me want to say that 'any price will be the right one'.As you see, viewpoints differ, the above one is mine of course. But if this comparison race has one useful outcome, it may be the subtext concerning some things and items and everyone is free to judge if nice (or not so nice) cockpit colours really differentiate products or if the company policies may be considered too.Stressing to be very confident and 'totally independent from any competitors release' while acting like this doesn't show very calm characters, it reveals the opposite.Impressive to say 'I saw him coming' while the enemy already sits on your couch, causing you to run around in circles. Your circling makes him feel the winner, not his intention.Does it need thread titles like 'This is what an NG REALLY looks like' (sic!)? Does this show professionalism or maybe something else? And, by the way, who triggered this behaviour?I may like a PMDG 737 more than the iFly one, or I may not, but I don't like this arrogant experience, that's for sure.So, Captain's, start behaving like people of this degree, even in your private rooms. :(

Well said.DP

Inevitably there will be comparison's between these new NGX's. The iFly version is excellent and an excellent first run out of the gates for iFly. There are textures, HUGS and a few small things that can be done better. However, I can not conceive of any part of this aircraft that can be left in the dust. I have no clue of the break temperatures are modeled accurately, but this is in the details if you ask my opinion. I plan to own both NGX's (already own the iFly), but can say that I think iFly has entered the realm with the big boys with their first release.

Well said, Eric, and my thoughts exactly.

I can't wait for the NGX to be released because (1) It will be absolutely amazing and (2) People will vote with their wallets instead of pounding out essay-length rants about PMDG's business practices. I'm seeing the same people complain over and over about PMDG; I suspect that once PMDG releases their product and everyone realizes how much work was put into it all this complaining will seem silly and quite moot. So many people were prodding PMDG with the iFly release, trying to spark a reaction from them and when they do respond in an absolutely benign way some people gasp in horror.

Think about it, Alan, you can get some fancy printed manuals for just 100 more. But more seriously, if I had to judge about shown arrogance and/or professionalism in this (ongoing) 737 race, the odds would favour the iFly, not only because of it's surely lower price regarding the variants package.I mean, you can spot the commercial marked dev names in the status bar of this thread and you can then enter the "private" section at PMDG to spot some very, very unprofessional and arrogant thread titles, set up by the devs itself.If you then enter the also private iFly forums, you won't see a single one of such kind and maybe this mood is a thing to added to the equation for quite some buyers.Confidence is a nice thing, but it's close to arrogance and the boarders aren't always sharp.I have no doubt that iFly reacts to (future) user wishes and I also have no doubt that customers don't have to wait long for fixes or patches. If I then look at some still awaited MD11 or J41 SP and the corresponding waiting time for only small fixes, I can also spot a difference which doesn't make me want to say that 'any price will be the right one'.As you see, viewpoints differ, the above one is mine of course. But if this comparison race has one useful outcome, it may be the subtext concerning some things and items and everyone is free to judge if nice (or not so nice) cockpit colours really differentiate products or if the company policies may be considered too.Stressing to be very confident and 'totally independent from any competitors release' while acting like this doesn't show very calm characters, it reveals the opposite.Impressive to say 'I saw him coming' while the enemy already sits on your couch, causing you to run around in circles. Your circling makes him feel the winner, not his intention.Does it need thread titles like 'This is what an NG REALLY looks like' (sic!)? Does this show professionalism or maybe something else? And, by the way, who triggered this behaviour?I may like a PMDG 737 more than the iFly one, or I may not, but I don't like this arrogant experience, that's for sure.So, Captain's, start behaving like people of this degree, even in your private rooms. :(

You gotta be away just for a day, and things are already upside down.I must agree to this reply, as I also find PMDG's statement/thread completely out of the line.I own all but one PMDG products (LCF), and I find them to be really good. PMDG have always been totally anal about their forums, and I must say, I like iFly forum much much more. It seems PMDG have grown really way more arrogant, being "so good and so great"... which really puts me off to buying the NGX.I will probably do it, to be honest - I buy aircraft for my personal satisfaction and not so that I have a relationship with a developer. If I have an issue, I expect them to deal with it promptly.Which brings me back to J41, with which I had one of the issues that everyone complained about (graphical error on highest quality level), so PMDG said to lower it - DUH, do I get 5Ghz and GTX580 to lower my graphical settings?... one time they either did not know how to solve it or did not want to.But given the past reference, and good behaviour... I think they are fairly good in customer service (= when something goes wrong).So I don't have to communicate with them, I don't even have to read their forums - I will read about it, if it's good, I'll buy it. And hope that it's not another FLOP (like J41).

ok well im not taking sides (theres too much of that atm =() but you cant change the lighting in the iFly as the dome light/nightlighting only works at night even though you need it during the day when its raining/stormy. I am 100% sure the PMDG 737 will have fully adjustable lighting both day and night just like all thier other aircraft. I mean the lighing on the Md-11 very very good and fully adjustable. The Ifly is not. Also you may notice on the Ifly the displays cant go brighter than the cockpit background so if the sun is in the wrong direction they look washed out. Again this problem does not exist in most other (complex) aircraft.Dont get me wrong I have the iFly 737 and its awsome and when the PMDG comes out I will get that too. I support both companies equaly and wish them both the best of luck. Its just a point of view. Also take note the support I got from the iFly team is just first rate.

I don't know why people are complaining about PMDG. They seem very helpful, informative and friendly in their forum and support.

So I don't have to communicate with them, I don't even have to read their forums - I will read about it, if it's good, I'll buy it. And hope that it's not another FLOP (like J41).

The J41 a "flop"? Hardly. It's one of the best airliners made for FSX despite that bug. And I believe it just won another award from SimFlight for best airliner of 2010. So your opinion is a minority one.