I think he was just trying to get to the source of the heading stuff. Anyway, did the HDG bug movement get better for you, Stick? Means with 0.8.

I'm still waiting for 1.0, but, as said, I'm into every 737-100/-200 thread there is.

0.8 works great for me, particularly the heading and course bugs (move perfectly now) are fixed now. Off for some more testing....

 

Cheers,

Pete

Hmm, despite my better judgement I bought it today. Looks wonderful, but flies like garbage; JF did a much better job in regards to how well the plane flies. I don't know could just be the difference between a 200 and 200 advanced, but CS in my opinion really messed up by making the 200 basic. Very few of them were produced in the first place, and those that were ended up being modified to the standard of the later 200. I hope MilViz, the last hope for the 732 really nails it. As is, I am disappointed with the CS732.

 

Seems like the 732 is in the same sad state as the MD-80. One with a good external model, bad VC, good systems. One with a bad external model, ok VC and excellent systems and one with a great external model and VC but no systems. If only someone could put it all together. That is what I hope MilViz does for the 732.

I think he was just trying to get to the source of the heading stuff. Anyway, did the HDG bug movement get better for you, Stick? Means with 0.8.

I'm still waiting for 1.0, but, as said, I'm into every 737-100/-200 thread there is.

 

The dials move way too slowly with the mouse wheel. Not just heading and course dials , it's basically anything with a dial and digital readout like radios and alt set.

However they are faster now using clicks.

in my opinion really messed up by making the 200 basic. Very few of them were produced in the first place, and those that were ended up being modified to the standard of the later 200.

 

It is true that the vast majority of basic 200 series 737s were modified to improved ADV standards with a kit from Boeing, but there were in fact quite a lot of basic 200 models built before the ADV came along in mid 1971. Prior to this, the basic 200 series was in production for just under four years from 1968 to 1971. It is a small number when compared to the overall production numbers of 737s, but even so, I'm fairly sure there were around 200 or so basic 200 series 737s built, which is a not insignificant amount of them. Thus from an historical standpoint, there were the only 200 series variants flying for a period of four years at the tail end of the 1960s and into the 70s.

 

As far as handling differences go, the 200 ADV should indeed fly somewhat differently from a standard 200. Although the ADV featured many of what were initially redesigns to the basic 200 series whilst it was in production, it did have some changes specific to the ADV alone, which were later available as modification kits for basic 200 variants.

 

ADV improvments included: Autobraking, a different anti-skid mechanism, improved RTO sequencing with automatic spoiler deployment, nose brakes, 5,000lb MTOW increase, increased MLW, lower landing and take off speeds, revised leading edge flap sequence with some droop increases, extended inboard leading edge flaps, and the newer JT8D-15 engines. All this stuff means that the ADV should be easier to handle than the basic 200 and should get on and off the deck more easily, and even moreso for if we are talking about an unimproved 200 series from 1968 or so.

 

So if the CS one flies differently to the JF ADV, then that may be because it in fact should do, although I agree that the JF 737 does fly very well. It's a shame neither of them fly as well as the Wilco one though, that one really nails the 737-400's flight model very well indeed.

 

Perhaps more important than all of the above, I think we should bear in mind that the CS 737 is still a work in progress, as in fact is the JF one to some extent, since that apparently has a service pack coming.

 

Al

134 or 12% were the 200 basics. The vast majority of 737-200's built were the advanced model. I will agree that both 737's have their problems, but the CS version feels a lot like their 727-200 in terms of handling; I am not confident it will get better. I just wish the JF could ramp up the eye-candy a bit. (And I could do without the fuzzy dice.)

Well, even if that 134 figure is correct, that's still 34 more than the J-41, and PMDG built one of those :LMAO:

 

Incidentally, I agree, the furry dice are a bit too 'Air America' for my tastes, even if they are only on there when the parking brake is set. I'm surprised they didn't go for an eight ball on the throttles.

 

Al

You are right, there have been some aircraft made for FSX that didn't sell well in the real world. I am all for preserving the obscure planes, be it in a museum or a virtual simulator. Although from a development return standpoint I would think the "popular" planes would be a better financial return. That is partly why I mistrust Captain Sim, they produce the least popular and require additional payment for the more popular. I can understand this, and it is a rather smart move from a business perspective. But when it interferes with quality, I have a problem (The 727 is a good example of this). Captain Sim has a shot at being the top dog in terms of 732's, as does MilViz. I suppose we will see who comes out as the clear victor. At the moment I see MilViz as having the biggest advantage, they have been able to see the competition and have an opportunity to better it.....Like adding a Sperry 177 to the 200adv.

Yup, I suspect the embryonic stage of their 100/200 series development, where you had to buy the 100 to get the 200, was a pointer to the notion of making extra payware combi, freight, C40 and ADV variants, but unfortunately for Captain Sim on this occasion, they no longer have the original 737 playing field all to themselves, with JF and MILVIZ lobbing a couple of spanners in that particular works. I'll be the one who will buy them all, that I do know, but the vast majority of people will probably not be inclined to do that.

 

I tend to agree with you on how it will pan out; I think the MILVIZ version is likely to be the best one in the end, but having said that, I do like the fact that the JF one gets good frame rates, the slightly iffy VC textures and lower polygon count was at least for a practical reason. Nevertheless, I still think CS will do a DC-8, and maybe even a Convair or an L-1011, so they are likely to remain well in the game, and they are not beyond surprising people with innovation, for example with their Weapon and Weather Radar add-ons.

 

Al

134 or 12% were the 200 basics. The vast majority of 737-200's built were the advanced model. I will agree that both 737's have their problems, but the CS version feels a lot like their 727-200 in terms of handling; I am not confident it will get better. I just wish the JF could ramp up the eye-candy a bit. (And I could do without the fuzzy dice.)

 

Actually that's wrong, according to Boeing delivery records between March 68, and April 71 there were 215 deliveries for the 737-200s. The ADV first delivery was in May 71. Unfortunately from then on there is no way to distinguish how many after that were basic or ADV. I would bet some at least during the remainder of 1971 were still the basic version, as they would have been ordered at an earlier date. Also that number doesn't include the 200C models of which there were 24 delivered in the same time period. All total between it's introduction in 68 to the last one in Aug 88, there were 991 737-200's delivered, so 215 (+24 200C) isn't such a bad number after all for a 3 year time period..

Oh yeah, CS should definitely make DC-8. Would fit their classic jet series very well, and there is no adequate DC-8 model yet. Or another possibility would be making Classic 747. There is only CLS one, and although they are making new version I still doubt that it will be complex system simulation.

 

 

Hmm, despite my better judgement I bought it today. Looks wonderful, but flies like garbage; JF did a much better job in regards to how well the plane flies. I don't know could just be the difference between a 200 and 200 advanced, but CS in my opinion really messed up by making the 200 basic. Very few of them were produced in the first place, and those that were ended up being modified to the standard of the later 200. I hope MilViz, the last hope for the 732 really nails it. As is, I am disappointed with the CS732.

Seems that I then after all did make right decision by buying JF one... Somehow also CS 727 feels really weird to fly. It does not feel dynamic, when during turn you put yoke back to middle position plane just instantly stops all changes in turn rate, which is not realistic.

I remember when Flight1 was working on a DC-8 and Dreamfleet an update for their 727 in FSX... those were the days.

 

 

Actually that's wrong, according to Boeing delivery records between March 68, and April 71 there were 215 deliveries for the 737-200s.

 

You may be right. I was getting my information from b737.org.uk. According to them aircraft number 135 onward beginning in March of 69' incorporated the redesign. The Advanced began in 1971 with line number 400.

 

Hmm, despite my better judgement I bought it today. Looks wonderful, but flies like garbage; JF did a much better job in regards to how well the plane flies. I don't know could just be the difference between a 200 and 200 advanced, but CS in my opinion really messed up by making the 200 basic. Very few of them were produced in the first place, and those that were ended up being modified to the standard of the later 200. I hope MilViz, the last hope for the 732 really nails it. As is, I am disappointed with the CS732.

 

You do realize it's not the finished version?

Yes, I am aware of that. However judging by the fact it feels very similar to their 727 is where the disappointment comes from. I don't know if they will fix it to fly better or not, but as of right now it feels overly "heavy" and underpowered. I am going to switch .air files and modify the .cfg, it is what I had to do with the 727. The other disappointment with CS is that that coded some gauge to recognize their external model, so VC swapping is out.