Now we have this http://forum.avsim.net/forum/499-gnu-aerospace-testpilot-forumAlso read the news on the Avsim front page. FSX getting a makeover ?

To me, it all looks very interesting development.I don't understand quite why is everyone so unsure about what P3D is offering.They state:Uses: Home.Eligibility, as some said, a bit of a grey area. But still, totally affordable.So what do you need more? They served you a simulation on the silver platter. They practically told you it's for home use.Now, the question is only if this licensing is going budge companies like PMDG to rethink their strategy and maybe push the development towards P3D, much like ORBX are doing.Without real support of 3PD, any simulation in the flight simulator community (please exclude sims like Flight, RoF, combat sims) nowdays is dommed to fail. You need a big support.Also the development over at TestPilot is also interesting. The fact is though, both sides are going to have a very very difficult task at hand. And the question is what is Microsoft giving them as a licensing (we'll never really know). I don't want to discuss licensing though...

Hi,Maybe PMDG will offer their aircraft to the academic version of P3D and avoid the Professional side of P3D, although I wouldn't hold my breath.

Now, the question is only if this licensing is going budge companies like PMDG to rethink their strategy and maybe push the development towards P3D, much like ORBX are doing.

I hope they are not experiencing funding issues, and are looking for a few quick bucks

helloLockheed have probably noticed that P3D might have some competition on the horizon soon.

It seems to me this vagueness in their marketing is just them trying to exploit a loophole in their agreement with Microsoft that they can't market it as an entertainment product, so they can sell it to more people. They realised that not many people were willing to pay the extortionate original price for it, so made it considerably cheaper but to satisfy the licensing agreement had to put a clause in that it was for educational use only.I'm tempted to just buy it even if I don't use it much! Something for $49 which just last week was $499 just seems like an offer I'd have to be crazy to miss!

They aren't exactly going to hunt you down if you aren't at college are they!

So besides the added 'stability' for those already using P3D -- how are your FPS? This is the most important factor in considering if I should upgrade or not. Thanks.

Pretty much all of them, although not all of them are licensed for it.Al

are there any guides on how to install them?i run ultimate traffic, pmdg airplanes, ultimate terrain, active sky, orbx, and tons of addon airports from simmarket, aerosoft, fsdt, flytampa, etc.

So besides the added 'stability' for those already using P3D -- how are your FPS? This is the most important factor in considering if I should upgrade or not. Thanks.

i would imagine if a dx11 version does come out, your frames would be greatly improved. i might wait for that version, id pay a few hundred dollars for a license to get that for sure!

Although I appreciate LM's initiative to make P3D available to a broader audience, I still don't think it will become the successor to FSX for us. As long as PMDG don't change their opinion. There won't be a hardcore sim platform without PMDG.

Although I appreciate LM's initiative to make P3D available to a broader audience, I still don't think it will become the successor to FSX for us. As long as PMDG don't change their opinion. There won't be a hardcore sim platform without PMDG.

Here you go again."hardcore " relates only to airliner ops as far as you are concerned? It's short sighted at best and ignorant at worst.

Without some innovations, I don't see the benefits of changing over. I've used that trial and, apart from more or less working addons and tools, I didn't see or feel anything. So even with the new and way lower price, you currently may get just another FSX with all the ups and downs.And, very true, simulation depth or even fun is not bound to a certain flying regime or even a single dev in my eyes.

Here you go again."hardcore " relates only to airliner ops as far as you are concerned? It's short sighted at best and ignorant at worst.

Did you read my answer to your post in the Flight forum?Regarding HC and airliners:http://forum.avsim.net/topic/367116-new-poll-hc-or-notAnd yes, I do believe that the airliner people follow PMDG wherever they go and the 3PD's for high-fidelity GA planes will follow those people.

Without some innovations, I don't see the benefits of changing over. I've used that trial and, apart from more or less working addons and tools, I didn't see or feel anything. So even with the new and way lower price, you currently may get just another FSX with all the ups and downs.And, very true, simulation depth or even fun is not bound to a certain flying regime or even a single dev in my eyes.

I agree!Even at $49, I'm not going to waste my time when most add-on sceneries and payware airplanes are not supported.I'm sticking with FSX.

Did you read my answer to your post in the Flight forum?Regarding HC and airliners:http://forum.avsim.net/topic/367116-new-poll-hc-or-notAnd yes, I do believe that the airliner people follow PMDG wherever they go and the 3PD's for high-fidelity GA planes will follow those people.

As much as I appreciate what pmdg do (I purchased the original 737NG back in 2002) flightsim has been around long before pmdg and will still be around no matter what pmdg do in the future. For example, if pmdg suddenly decided to only support xplane, that is NOT going to make me switch to xplane.Your answer above is contradictory. You stated that there is "no hardcore sim without pmdg" - seems pretty clear to me.

As much as I appreciate what pmdg do (I purchased the original 737NG back in 2002) flightsim has been around long before pmdg and will still be around no matter what pmdg do in the future.For example, if pmdg suddenly decided to only support xplane, that is NOT going to make me switch to xplane.Your answer above is contradictory. You stated that there is "no hardcore sim without pmdg" - seems pretty clear to me.

What exactly is contradictory?Look at FS9: also a hc sim platform. But how many people switched to FSX just because PMDG wouldn't produce the NGX for FS9.And how many addon-aircraft are still produced for FS9 now, be it GA or heavies?There are some addons being made compatible for P3D by certain developers, but as I see it, these are only the ones that are still compatible with the P3D core (i.e. the development effort is limited to updating the installer).I dare say that as soon as P3D 2.0 or 64bit comes out, breaking backwards-compatibility with FSX, the amount of addons published for this platform will plummet or at least be reduced to those addons that also carry a professional-grade price tag.