[CENSORED]Warplane. Yikes. A Japanese warplane to fly over Pearl Harbor...??? Isn't that a bit sick? No VC. I couldn't care less because I already couldn't care less about this plane. Huge disappointment. Now I have to wait yet another freakin' month for a new plane... Yeah, Alaska will have a new plane but no one knows when Alaska will be released.Big bummer.

I gotta say... I've been one of Flight's biggest fans... and this is just a kick in the you know whats...On the plus side... Tiger Woods PGA Tour 13 came out today! So at least I have something to kill time with while waiting for the next one...

I wonder whether many people actually want a plane without a cockpit as opposed to Microsoft saying there is demand and releasing such a plane because of how cheap/easy it is compared to modeling the real plane cockpit and systems, and I actually wouldn't care as much if they had this option for the people that want it, if it wasn't burning up one of their "one plane a month" slow release cycle slots.

I'm sure a lot of people fly external, just as a lot of people drive racing games external. Depending on when the Alaska dlc is coming out the next plane could well be external only.No idea how game devs work or how the cash flows but at somepoint they need to put something out to start making money back so they can make more stuff and I guess they want to keep the project self sustaining. They have the data, they think this will be a bigger cash input during the period until Alaska is released than releasing a working vc plane (other reasons are a plus but we know its the cash that talks). As long as they add damage/ap/ai etc in patches, keep the working vc in the area dlc and release vc planes at least bi-monthly then im happy, but then its not my primary game.

No cockpit again.......no buy.......nuff said.

[CENSORED]Warplane. Yikes. A Japanese warplane to fly over Pearl Harbor...??? Isn't that a bit sick? No VC. I couldn't care less because I already couldn't care less about this plane. Huge disappointment. Now I have to wait yet another freakin' month for a new plane... Yeah, Alaska will have a new plane but no one knows when Alaska will be released.Big bummer.

You realise there are a number of combat flight sims out there that allow you to actually bomb Pearl Harbour right? (E.g. Pacific Fighters, and good old Aces over the Pacific which is about as old as I am). Just about every WWII combat flight sim I know of allows you to fly on both sides of the conflict. I fail to see how flying a 70 year old plane in a civilian flight sim is such a big deal in comparison. I'm pretty sure there's Zeros flying around the US in airshows at the moment. There are certainly Focke-Wulfs flying around France. Zeros are a part of Hawaiian history, just like B-29s are a part of Japan'sRegarding the rest of the fuss about the Zero: It's IMO highly unlikely that they only started development on this plane after the release of Flight. I'm pretty sure that development on the first set of DLC started before Flight was released. Didn't Mr Howard say in his interview that they have a team working on the DLC that will come after Alaska, and already people thinking about what will come after that? So releasing the Zero now is not a 'change of direction' or a reaction to the Mustang sales figures, but a continuation of the pre-existing release plan.Second, it's pretty clear that Microsoft plans to release two types of planes: 'Basic' planes that only have an exterior model and 'Deluxe' planes that will come with a VC. It's also pretty clear that basic planes will have little or no appeal to hard-core simmers. Fortunately, just like you only have to buy the flight sims that actually interest you, you don't have to buy all the DLC for Flight either.It's pretty simple really: Whenever MS releases new DLC you ask yourself: will I enjoy this DLC? If the answer is yes you buy it (budget permitting of course), if the answer is no you don't buy it and wait for the next DLC to come along.Patience is a virtue and all that.

I'm pretty sure that development on the first set of DLC started before Flight was released. Didn't Mr Howard say in his interview that they have a team working on the DLC that will come after Alaska, and already people thinking about what will come after that?

Not much staff to go around then, they have 39 (at least that's what they showed)

Not much staff to go around then, they have 39 (at least that's what they showed)

How many people work on a typcial FS add-on?

How many people work on a typcial FS add-on?

No idea.

You realise there are a number of combat flight sims out there that allow you to actually bomb Pearl Harbour right? (E.g. Pacific Fighters, and good old Aces over the Pacific which is about as old as I am). Just about every WWII combat flight sim I know of allows you to fly on both sides of the conflict. I fail to see how flying a 70 year old plane in a civilian flight sim is such a big deal in comparison. I'm pretty sure there's Zeros flying around the US in airshows at the moment. There are certainly Focke-Wulfs flying around France. Zeros are a part of Hawaiian history, just like B-29s are a part of Japan's

Yep. Actually, in games I cant take any war game (flying or not) seriously if it presents US as good guys and opposite side as bad, as war very rarely is that black and white. I only play games which allow me to play as both sides, and without promoting any side as superior good one and other side as horrible criminals. So adding zero is totally good idea in my opinion, though lack of cockpit is a fail.

Anyone know where all these Flight fans who want leaderboards and cockpitless planes hang out?It would be interesting to see the sorts of debates they are having over Flight.

How many people work on a typcial FS add-on?

Judging by the talk on the forums by commercial users, mostly one!!!

I guess I would have understood if the next no-cockpit wonder had been something like an F-16. Sure, most of us would be upset about the lack of cockpit, but at least it would offer the casual gamer some new capabilities (Mach 1+ flight, etc). I would have understood if Flight had released a Zero with cockpit. It might not be my favorite plane, but it would have been an interest to some.A cockpit-less Zero seems to offer nearly nothing that a cockpit-less P-51 doesn't already provide. Who is going to buy this thing?

Actually for me the intented target audience is quite a mistery.Already two military planes in a game that (for now) doesn't have guns and combats. Do you think they are planning to add these elements and make a sort of Combat Fligth Sim 4? Otherwise I don't really understand the logic behind their aircaft development.A.

Well to by cynic, this plane I think was featured in Combat Flight Simulator 2. Easy money to release an improvement to what they got in the archive? :I'm also wondering, will 'casual' gamers bother to buy this? It *looks* different, but the differense in handling would seem very similar to the Mustang to a casual player, unless he tried to out-turn a mustang or something. Will it make a dramatic differense when collecting coins or manuvering to collect aerocaches? If it's that similar to the Mustang and there is not much more to do than with the Mustang won't it get boring within minutes?-

Edited March 28, 201214 yr by Kinetic2080

So wanting a cockpit = hardcore simmer? It seems like the goal posts keep moving...What is the next normal flightsim feature to be reconsidered as an unreasonable "hardcore simmer" feature so as not to criticize MS Marketing decisions?

Runway markings. I do notice the few Mustangs I see actually landing tend to just set down anwhere there is an open flat spot, so clearly marked runways are not needed or wanted in Flight.

Regarding the rest of the fuss about the Zero: It's IMO highly unlikely that they only started development on this plane after the release of Flight. I'm pretty sure that development on the first set of DLC started before Flight was released. Patience is a virtue and all that.

You got it. The zero is no way the MS answer to the community reaction after the initial release. They had planned for some time to release the mustang and zero with no cockpit as a pair that males some sense for pearl harbor.It will take more time for our feedback and the actual sales to influence the pipeline of project in development.I just pass on this one as this is not for me.