Check out the DCS series. Sure, it is a combat platform, but the best flight sim you will find anywhere outside a military establishment. Leave any preconceptions about what is possible in a flight sim at the door - DCS will blow you away.

 

MSFS is dated technology. A shame they didn't build a whole new flight model for FSX.

 

Best regards,

Robin.

I blame it totally on all the negative feedback they got from the simming community along with the complaining about the pricing of the few things they charged for,

 

Hello

What caused this negative feedback, face up to it, the majority of the flight simulation community just flat out did not like the product or its direction, otherwise it would have sold millions and lived on for years.

The truth is MS had little faith in the product and and the majority of the flight sim community pretty much agreed with them.

Add to that the attitude shown by Joshua Howard in his Avsim interview, which future generations will no doubt use as a classic text book example of how not to engage with your customer base.

http://forum.avsim.n...VSIM Pages&id=8

 

But I will repeat what FSX users were told many times on this forum.

Man up, get over it, no one has taken your Sim away, everything you paid for still works, so what's the problem.

FSX users faced the same thing a few years ago, life goes on.

Why are people surprised at its demise?

 

They bas-tardize (forum censor needs a new dictionary) MSFS and called it "Flight", release several aircraft that are external model only, amongst many other very bizarre design decisions, and as a result they are a commercial failure.

 

Good bye Flight! Time to make room for real flight simulators. Your time was over 3 years ago.

 

Best regards,

Robin.

 

At least it had stutter free video, didn't crash to desktop, and the planes flew like actual planes do.

 

Hello

What caused this negative feedback, face up to it, the majority of the flight simulation community just flat out did not like the product or its direction, otherwise it would have sold millions and lived on for years.

The truth is MS had little faith in the product and and the majority of the flight sim community pretty much agreed with them.

Add to that the attitude shown by Joshua Howard in his Avsim interview, which future generations will no doubt use as a classic text book example of how not to engage with your customer base.

http://forum.avsim.n...VSIM Pages&id=8

 

But I will repeat what FSX users were told many times on this forum.

Man up, get over it, no one has taken your Sim away, everything you paid for still works, so what's the problem.

FSX users faced the same thing a few years ago, life goes on.

 

And I think many FSX users are delighted that Flight failed.

This is gutting for me. I just can't go back to FSX after enjoying the lighting and FM of Flight. X-Plane may have a great FM but let's face it, it looks like ###### compared to Flight. Unless I missed something P3D doesn't offer any radical improvements over FSX, and there just aren't any other commercial sims around.

 

Looks like I might have to find a new hobby. Damn I'll miss this one.

If your having poor fps/stutters with fsx give this a go, it worked a treat for me...

 

http://www.venetubo.com/fsx.html

 

Apart from x-plane/DCS...who else is developing flight sim now?

For the last decade, PC-based flight simulation has been focused ever more heavily on removing the fun from flying to focus ever more strongly on the work of flying. It's become a simulation of operating an airplane, rather than a simulation of flying.

Well if you truly want to simulate flying a commercial airliner you must operate systems too as they are so big part of flying them nowadays. GA is different thing, but I don't really understand what prevents enjoying simple GA flying in FSX just as well as in Flight

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Add to that the attitude shown by Joshua Howard in his Avsim interview, which future generations will no doubt use as a classic text book example of how not to engage with your customer base.

 

Joshua Howard was being honest in making it clear the AVSIM members were not the customer base. As has been said time and time again, that customer base is too small to support a major development. Flight was an attempt to broaden that base which appears to have failed. The consequence is likely to be that Microsoft will abandon any flight-based games for the foreseeable future.

_{I will continue to use FLIGHT as there is still much to do, both in Alaska and back in Hawaii. I still love the new Carbon Cub and will get a lot of fun out of that. It is just a shame that MS did not give it more time to mature. I had just bought a new copy of FSX and the addon pack when I got into FLIGHT and have not fired it up again. While I will stay with flight I will have to go back to FSX and look at it again now that I have my combat rudder pedals and Trakir5 to play with. Hope I am not to spoiled after experencing the joys of FLIGHT. Mabye I will even pick up the train sim when it is again on sale on Steam, who knows. Live is just a box of chocolates afer all, you never know what you will get!}

I will continue to use FLIGHT as there is still much to do, both in Alaska and back in Hawaii. I still love the new Carbon Cub and will get a lot of fun out of that

 

+1 Air1, just posted those same thought in another thread :-) Let's meet onlyne!!!

 

Gamertag= jcommFLIGHT

The job posting above says the location is in Redmond. Do we know if the game studio was really in Vancouver? Wasn’t Aces Studio in Redmond? They had a number or employees from Aces Studio on Flight and I wonder if they would have really relocated to Vancouver. Now it is only 100+ miles northwest of Seattle.

 

Nope, the MS Flight studio was in Redmond completely, the other game Microsoft has apparently cancelled is Project Columbia, that game was based in Vancouver

And I think many FSX users are delighted that Flight failed.

 

Hello

Many of those FSX users like myself also bought DLC for Flight! and were also Beta testers.

I bought it all anyway to support what Flight! might have become, but the JH interview took away a lot of hope that Flight! could become an FSX replacement for many people.

Right from the start of the Beta it always felt to me that Flight! was just a trial venture for MS to gauge if there was a large enough number of folk interested in a "casual" flight experience.

Everything about the project from community engagement to marketing just did not seem to have much focus.

The Sim still works, if it had lived on further all that would have been released would be more unconnected areas to fly around in with more simple GA aircraft.

Just enjoy what was released and look forward to whatever comes next in this hobby.

I'm being serious here. We need to start a huge campaign to get MS to resume the FS franchise. We need to show them that they will gain huge popularity and profits.

 

I've made a FB page to start our campaign. https://www.facebook.com/bringbackfs

I'm supporting this!

For me Flight was an option to get more fun out of Flight Simulation. OK it is not FSX, X-Plane or DCS, aka no simulation, but it offered great fun and will in the next time: get the stick and take off for a couple of hours fun.

 

With deep grieve I will play on.....

 

There seems to be a developing folk-wisdom around here that Flight has failed because it tried to appeal to too broad an audience, when it should instead have been tickling the FMS's of real simmers, with STARS in their eyes and for whom RNAV is the only kind of nav. And didn't we teach them a lesson, eh, by refusing to even look at Flight (the core of which is, lest we forget, completely free)?

 

I am struck, in fact, by quite how many folk on this thread appear to have been introduced to the joys of civilian flight sims through Flight, and how quite a few of whom, in waiting for new scenery or aircraft, have gone on to purchase FSX. That, if anything, says to me that Flight was serving its market fairly well, if perhaps a little too slowly in terms of dishing out the new content. And that suggests it was probably under-resourced from the get-go, and not helped by a flakey platform in LIVE - I have had endless problems just trying to pay for DLC on LIVE. I suspect the decision to axe development (which remains confirmed only by an unattributed source, by the way) comes from a lot higher up the Microsoft food chain, and it's simply a false sense of our own importance to suggest that either whining on forums or brave, staunch abstinence from the product somehow taught this corporate behemoth a lesson. (And what lesson is that, by the way? Stay out of flight sims? Well done, everybody.)

 

I like Flight. I'm a reasonably nerdy flight simmer, and I'd avoided it because it looked dumbed down and game-like until, bored one Sunday afternoon, I downloaded it anyway. And I was instantly hooked: here was a flight model that felt right, in exactly the way that FSX and all its illustrious forebears hadn't. More than that, the real nerdy guts of flying were all still there - radio navigation, checklists (a particularly well implemented feature, I feel)*. The visuals are fabulous, and the universal lighting casting shadows in the cockpit add a whole new level of spatial reference. And cranked up to max settings, it runs in a way that FSX never did, on the same PC.

 

I like the jobs, and the missions. I like that you have to buy a bigger, more serious aircraft to start hauling cargo. And that you then have to have earned enough XP to be able to fly passengers in it. It all gently pushes you in the direction of gaining experience as a pilot, without structuring it along the rigid lines of lessons and tests, which are frankly anathema for the majority of us trying to escape reality for a few hours a week. I think quite a lot of thought has gone into the structure of the game, and it held the promise of gently guiding us on to bigger territories and better aircraft over time, mirroring perhaps a real career without being too formal about it.

 

So I am very disappointed that it is all ending so soon, given the sense of promise I think that Flight has - or had. I had dreams of returning to Hawaii and flying inter-island hops in a tired old 737-200 and looking back on the days when I droned across the watery miles at 120 kts (if I was lucky) with a coughing old lady in the back, while looking forward to when that shiny new Challenger would be released and I could upgrade to ferrying VIPs... That was the experience that Flight promised. Alas, I suppose, no longer.

 

I'll still enjoy Flight, as the best GA sim I've flown. But with a slight twinge of regret that it won't be leading anywhere further from here.

 

 

* ok so the lack of carb heat bothers me - but then, there's no carb icing, so the omission is logical, if not for the right reasons.

I'm being serious here. We need to start a huge campaign to get MS to resume the FS franchise. We need to show them that they will gain huge popularity and profits.

 

I've made a FB page to start our campaign. https://www.facebook.com/bringbackfs

If it's going to gain huge profits why did Microsoft terminate its development a few years ago?