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Would any AVSIMmer recommend any of these planes?

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Hello everyone,

With the praise (rightly so) and "hype" about the Dash-8 Q400, I started wondering about FSX versions for the other regional feederliners. I had never contemplated flying anything smaller than a 737 initially, but QW's Avro and Majestic's Dash-8 (as well as suggestions made to me in my introductory thread, which I'm grateful for), have pretty much broadened my spectrum to nearly any plane other than gliders.

 

So I looked around, and saw these planes on offer:

 

- WILCO/FEELTHERE - EMBRAER E-JETS V2 - EMBRAER 175 AND 195

- WILCO/FEELTHERE - EMBRAER REGIONAL JETS

- WILCO CRJ NEXTGEN DELUXE

- FLIGHT 1 EUROPE - BN2 ISLANDER

 

My question is: would anyone on AVSIM recommend any of them? I'd like to have 1 more alternative next to my Avro & Dash-8 for the small/feederliner routes (I like having at least 3 options for each distance), and I know nothing about any of those 4 packs. Help/Advice from anyone that has any one (or all) of those packs would be greatly appreciated. If none of the 4 packs are recommended, an alternative that IS recommended would be nice too.

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The first two on your list are old releases. They're pretty good but don't expect 'state of the art' graphics, textures, etc.

 

The third on your list (Wilco CRJ) is honestly one of the worst releases in the last 5 years; it just doesn't work !! ...... Even basic AP modes don't work, and the aircraft cannot hold IAS or VS on climb. There is a serious fundamental flaw with the FDE on that one .......... Unlike the first two on your list, it is not a feelThere-developed add-on, but instead was developed in-house by Wilco. AVOID AT ALL COSTS !!

 

Finally, the Flight 1 BN-2 Islander is a superb, lovely aircraft model, with great flight dynamics, visuals and sound... it's a real winner, and the only one on your list, I would truly recommend.

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- WILCO/FEELTHERE - EMBRAER E-JETS V2 - EMBRAER 175 AND 195 - I can highly recommend them

- WILCO/FEELTHERE - EMBRAER REGIONAL JETS - recommendable (not exactly my own type of coffee)

- WILCO CRJ NEXTGEN DELUXE - I'd wait for the one that's still to come up (developed by Hans Hartmann, published by Aerosoft)

- FLIGHT 1 EUROPE - BN2 ISLANDER - I don't own it, but I've heard good things about it

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The Islander is truly one of the most immersive aircraft available for FSX IMO. The sounds and shakes really give you a feel for the airplane, and it's a blast to island hop in!

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The Islander is truly one of the most immersive aircraft available for FSX IMO. The sounds and shakes really give you a feel for the airplane, and it's a blast to island hop in!

+1  

One of the first, I remember, to have "accusim like" effects built in.

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Wow, I'm pleasantly surprised at the amount of replies I'm getting in such a short time. Before, I wouldn't even have added it to the list considering it's a small turboprop, but I added it in what with how wrong I was about judging the Q400 and Avro before purchase as well. And now it seems that I'd have missed out on another great aircraft if I did leave it out! I'd like to encourage everyone to keep adding their opinion, but so far, I'm getting more and more drawn to the Islander. 

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I really like the ERJ 135/145.  The 175/195 not so much.  The B2-Islander is pretty boring topping out at 120 knots or something like that otherwise it's well done just not my type of aircraft.   The 135/145 goes on sale quite a bit...get it then.  

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I personally hate Wilco products, of-course others have different opinions and likes. The only aircraft I would recommend in that list (although I don't actually own it) would have to be the BN-2 Islander by F1. 

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I'm noticing either the ERJ returning a lot, if I'd really demand a jet and can stomach the outdated graphics, or the Islander. One thing I wonder though with regards to the Islander: Isn't it a HUGE assault on your FPS if you island-hop? You'd need a lot of (autogen?) scenery, high water detail, nice airports, a detailed terrain with realistic altitudes, ... due to the VFR/low-altitude flying. The compromises one can make with commercial ranged aviation (atrocious water detail being the most prominent one) are suddenly not an option anymore.

 

If anyone can tell me the framerate stays decent (or how to keep that way) when transitioning from commercial flights to small-scale island hopping with nice details, I'll be happy to check out the BN-2 Islander. The more vids I check on youtube while waiting for more replies, the more it looks like an interesting little alternative. I'd just hate to have to suffer 8 FPS again...

 

Oh, and Shamrock (and others), I only found Wilco offering the Embraer families and the CRJ series. If anyone knows a different developer for the Embraer/CRJ, or has other suggestions in general, I'd always be happy to read about them.

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Oh, and Shamrock (and others), I only found Wilco offering the Embraer families and the CRJ series. If anyone knows a different developer for the Embraer/CRJ, or has other suggestions in general, I'd always be happy to read about them.

 

 

 

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- WILCO CRJ NEXTGEN DELUXE - I'd wait for the one that's still to come up (developed by Hans Hartmann, published by Aerosoft)

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A rather recent status update on the CRJ: http://forum.aerosof...eview/?p=477956

 

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I bought both Feelthere products on sale and I was quite happy I did.  If night flying is your thing then stay away from them.

 

Stay away from the Wilco CRJ... lots of complaints.

 

The B2-Islander is an awesome aircraft.  I've never had any issues with the FPS on it.

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I have the first two, but when PMDG released the NGX, I pretty much deleted my payware aircraft that were not PMDG.  I hope PMDG purues a regional jet in the future.

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I second Oliver's advice on the Aerosoft/Digital Aviation CRJ, it's looking good already, and it'll sure be miles ahead of Wilco's CRJ, if you're willing to wait a little longer. Patience is an important part of our hobby, I'd say :smile:.

I have the ERJ 175/195 (or was it 170/190, I can't remember), but I never really flew it. I didn't get it to work as I expected it to, and the QW Avro, the AXE and the Q400 have replaced it the day they were installed on my computer.

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I got both the BN2 Islander and the ERJv2 from PC Aviator as downloads for $20 each. They go on sale from time to time. For that price they are an excellent value.

 

The Islander is very easy to fly, and can do STOL get in and out of most places unless you need really high performance. The GPS is quite primitive but I'm sure you can add a newer GPS if you don't like the KLN90A. I like the GPS though, I'm amazed what could be done with a small CRT display.

 

The ERJ is also very good and has a full featured FMC. As others have said they both look a bit dated but overall are very well done.

 

My fingers are crossed that the Aerosoft DA CRJ7 will get finished and we'll have another great regional jet in FSX.

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I read the thread (and some other information) about the upcoming CRJ. I'll probably hold off on the CRJ family until it releases, thus taking the CRJ out of my list of options. My question (as someone reasonably new to the FS scene) stands though: Isn't low altitude/VFR flying much more FPS intensive than commercial aviation? You need the detail in the scenery, the water, the airports, the terrain, ... to make it fun, but doesn't that in turn cause a much lower frame rate? I mean, when I look at videos like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5_QGbhpOW0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0zSEXXai3U

 


I wonder if I can even handle that kind of detail on my computer...

 

That qualm/concern/worry is the only thing keeping me from buying the BN-2 Islander at this point. It seems fun to island-hop like that, but I'd need to hear if I can actually run it at that detail...

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islander is the best from that list.

 

But If you like regional aircrafts, i would highly recommend new Majestic Q400. It may be the best aircraft ever for desktop simulation

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The Islander is very good on FPS. Your AI traffic and autogen should be generally lower than dense urban areas, so that will help, and you can adjust the water rendering. Low 2.x should be fine. I also use REX Ess+OD clouds but I use the 1024 textures which looks good without killing FPS. I also have some FlyTampa sceneries and they look great but also perform well.

@@Sunaru One other thing, it looks like you haven't OC'ed your processor. You could get at least another 1Ghz per core which would make a big difference.

 

Edit: Sorry I looked again and it looks like your CPU is not a K-series, so OC may not be possible.

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Isn't low altitude/VFR flying much more FPS intensive than commercial aviation? You need the detail in the scenery, the water, the airports, the terrain, ... to make it fun, but doesn't that in

 

That qualm/concern/worry is the only thing keeping me from buying the BN-2 Islander at this point. It seems fun to island-hop like that, but I'd need to hear if I can actually run it at that detail...

Big cities are way more difficult to handle than little islands... ^_^

 

Try it in the default Maule or Baron as a test..

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I love my ERJ 135/145 V2 planes.

They are, true, a little older, but they still look great. There are HD exterior paints for them that look better than some new aircraft released now.

 

They are fun, regional planes to fly.

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One other thing, it looks like you haven't OC'ed your processor. You could get at least another 1Ghz per core which would make a big difference.

 

Yeah, I checked some tech-head forums, they all said the 2600 doesn't lend itself to OC'ing, you'd get 0,2 GHz more at best; a thing I didn't realize when I bought it.

 

 

 i would highly recommend new Majestic Q400. It may be the best aircraft ever for desktop simulation

 

 

I already have it, edited my first post to reflect that. But thank you for the suggestion anyway! 

 

Big cities are way more difficult to handle than little islands... ^_^

 

Try it in the default Maule or Baron as a test..

 

That sounds like a plan, I think I'll do that. 

 

Olli: I can live with decent scenery at a decent FPS. It's a shame we still have to compromise though in this day and age...

William: Yes, I think that if I were to stick with jets, the ERJ would seem to be the best choice out of the list (until the CRJ releases). 

 

Again, thank you all for weighing in so far!  :lol:

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Get the Islander. The plane is 1-of-a-kind and Flight1 one has outstanding support.

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