July 9, 201312 yr @ bronchie, if I have to trust and chose between PMDG's layers opinion and yours on this subject.... guess what....PMDG's lawyers win. Great. And I'll trust the dozens of developers (including giants in the industry like Aerosoft and Orbx) that provide dual installers and LM who has blessed home usage of P3D as an training tool. I'll also trust that a simple reading of the EULA clearly shows no requirement for documented proof of what you use P3D for. The PMDG quote doesn't say that either. In fact, they don't even give the reason behind there stance, just that "some lawyer told us" (meanwhile they'll be developing for P3D and charging commercial prices...what a coincidence). I'll stick with the overwhelming evidence. You stick with PMDG saying "some lawyer told us" while giving no details to back up their opinion while clearly having a monetary stake in their position.
July 9, 201312 yr OK I clicked on this expecting to read about P3D and advantages over FSX.... AGAIN I am reading a load of EULA tosh. Enough with the drivel !!
July 9, 201312 yr That is true - just as you don't have to prove that you'll only use it on a single computer but by accepting the EULA you agree to that. Similarly by accepting the EULA you agree to use it only in the Territory in which and by which you are licensed, chartered or otherwise accredited to provide Academic Education. Of course if agreements mean nothing then this sub-thread is pointless. Great, so start sueing people that you suspect are breaking the EULA by your reading if you are so conerned about it. Until then get over it already. You've made your point a million times over the course of several years in dozens of threads. This thread was supposed to be about P3D's future developments, not another EULA ###### fest.
July 9, 201312 yr ....breaking the EULA by your reading.... So what's your reading of it - that you can use it on more than one computer (not just on one) and you can use it anywhere (not just in the Territory)? Gerry Howard
July 9, 201312 yr Great. And I'll trust the dozens of developers (including giants in the industry like Aerosoft and Orbx) that provide dual installers and LM who has blessed home usage of P3D as an training tool. I'll also trust that a simple reading of the EULA clearly shows no requirement for documented proof of what you use P3D for. The PMDG quote doesn't say that either. In fact, they don't even give the reason behind there stance, just that "some lawyer told us" (meanwhile they'll be developing for P3D and charging commercial prices...what a coincidence). I'll stick with the overwhelming evidence. You stick with PMDG saying "some lawyer told us" while giving no details to back up their opinion while clearly having a monetary stake in their position. Are you serious, look like we do not read the same statement here, just in case you missed it... Quote" I recognize that some of you are using P3D as a simming platform, but if you take a good close look at their EULA- you largely don't have that right- and as such they can turn you upside down one day if they decide to enforce their rights... As such I think it would be irresponsible for us to sell you a simmer product on a commercial platform." End of quote. So you see that it's not about sueing peoples, it's about what LM can (and may or may not do) if they decide to enforce their rights, but LM should not have to enforce their rights as everybody using P3D is doing it so by following their EULA....right?
July 9, 201312 yr So what's your reading of it - that you can use it on more than one computer (not just on one) and you can use it anywhere (not just in the Territory)? My reading of it is that it's time for you to drop it already. This has been done to death and the topic has been in circles a dozen times already. Read it however the hell you want. Call up MS and encourage them to sue LM or end users. If your so passionate about this then go take action. Continually hijacking P3D threads with EULA arguments is pointless though. Are you serious, look like we do not read the same statement here, just in case you missed it... Quote" I recognize that some of you are using P3D as a simming platform, but if you take a good close look at their EULA- you largely don't have that right- and as such they can turn you upside down one day if they decide to enforce their rights... As such I think it would be irresponsible for us to sell you a simmer product on a commercial platform." End of quote. So you see that it's not about sueing peoples, it's about what LM can (and may or may not do) if they decide to enforce their rights. I DON'T CARE WHAT PMDG SAYS. That clear enough? Saying "you largely don't have that right" while giving no qualifications to their opinion is not giving the reasoning behind their conclusion. You choose to take their vague conclusion as Gospel. Do it. Don't use P3D. Problem solved.
July 9, 201312 yr My reading of it is that it's time for you to drop it already..........while giving no qualifications to their opinion is not giving the reasoning behind their conclusion. Where' s your reasoning - or don't you have any? Gerry Howard
July 9, 201312 yr The EULA is between the "Licensee" and the "Licensor". It shouldn't be of any concern to you what others do. That's how I read it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
July 9, 201312 yr Can the AdminBot be set to automatically delete any post with "EULA" in the body? Wasn't this entire topic of discussion banned for some time because it inevitably devolves into the same off-topic shitting on threads that's happening here? There's absolutely nothing new that can be added to the topic of the EULA. It's all been discussed to death.. If you must persist in talking past each other, can the three or four people who actually care to participate please take it to a dedicated EULA thread or something?
July 9, 201312 yr Aces was shut down in 2009, so I guess that wasn't his decision. All right, you got me. I know when ACES shut down. I am still in the habit of referring to any MSFS development team as ACES. Chuck Biggins
July 9, 201312 yr Back on the topic of P3d as a platform replacement for FSX - there'd have to be a dramatic difference in scenery/lighting/weather depiction for me to switch and consider it a replacement. Don't know about you, but I dont feel any sense of depth to anything in the sims. I think shadows has a lot to do with this. Also mountains - no sense of depth or definition to them. Lighting - always strikes me as being too bold and bigger, instead of being small defined bits of light. Water - no sense of depth to it etc etc. for 2013, I would've thought we'd be more advanced than we are. Hopefully v2 will be a game changer, and more PMDG, simmer friendly. Brian Nellis
July 9, 201312 yr "So you see that it's not about sueing peoples, it's about what LM can (and may or may not do) if they decide to enforce their rights, but LM should not have to enforce their rights as everybody using P3D is doing it so by following their EULA....right?" Precisely, so lets move on now. Thanks!
July 9, 201312 yr If you must persist in talking past each other... Indeed: Man: Ah. I'd like to have an argument, please. Receptionist: Certainly sir. Have you been here before? Man: No, I haven't, this is my first time. Receptionist: I see. Well, do you want to have just one argument, or were you thinking of taking a course? ... Man: Oh look, this isn't an argument. Mr. Vibrating: Yes it is. Man: No it isn't. It's just contradiction. Mr. Vibrating: No it isn't. Man: It is! Mr. Vibrating: It is not. Man: Look, you just contradicted me. Mr. Vibrating: I did not. Man: Oh you did!! Mr. Vibrating: No, no, no. Man: You did just then. Mr. Vibrating: Nonsense! Man: Oh, this is futile! Courtesy of the Monty Python crew and the Argument Clinic skit. Unfortunately it does appear that a couple of people have signed on for the "whole course"... and it was much funnier when Michael Palin and John Cleese did it. Edit: And a big: :rolleyes: just in case someone takes this too seriously. Scott
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