No need to apologize mate =) I was editing my post while you typed yours, and I wanted to explain my reasons too

After watching the crash video I am even more certain of my previous posts. The 777 itself held up so well to impact to stay intact and the design of the 777 itself clearly saved lives.

BREAKING NEWS: The pilot sitting in the captain's seat of Asiana Airlines Flight 214 had 43 hours of experience flying the B777-200, Choi Jeong-ho, the head of the South Korea's Aviation Policy Bureau, said Sunday.

BREAKING NEWS: The pilot sitting in the captain's seat of Asiana Airlines Flight 214 had 43 hours of experience flying the B777-200, Choi Jeong-ho, the head of the South Korea's Aviation Policy Bureau, said Sunday.

 

 

still  more than enough to handle a visual on a nice day. I hear that sometimes the first landing a pilot does on a new type is in a revenue flight.. 

How many landings in simulator plus all emergency practice hours need to be done to be type rated?

It says he had experience on the 747, so no excuses here. Plus, if he was inexperienced on the 777 he might have caused a hard landing or something like that, but he would have doubled attention during approach, which would mean an effort to maintain speed and glide path. Unless he had never flown a plane before I don't think lack of experience was an issue AT ALL in this case. Seems more like excess of confidence and distraction than the opposite.

This policy has worked for us, we haven't had a single fatality in our 77 year history that was down to pilot error

 

That is such an important statement that speaks on it's own merit? How many can claim that. Very few, if any? :hi:

That is such an important statement that speaks on it's own merit? How many can claim that. Very few, if any?

I believe EVA Airways has not experienced any accidents whatsoever, though it has only existed for about 20 years. Regardless, its safety record is superb compared to that of China Airlines during the same post-1991 period. And its service is quite good.  :lol:

Immediate reports from the MSM suspected pilot error on the BA incident at Heathrow.  Soon afterwards, it was discovered he actually made an heroic effort to save his passengers.  Initial news reports are almost totally, or at least significantly, WRONG.

 

Media these days

Reference the new reports of the PF having few hours.... 

 

I'm not into airliner stuff but isn't that normal for say, an FO performing the flying portion of the flight, with so few hours?  I mean, stupid CNN blows up the font on their main page: FLIGHT 214 PILOT WAS IN TRAINING FOR 777.

 

I mean, I was an air traffic controller in training working REAL airplanes with REAL people on board and I had .0001 hours....obviously I had a trainer watching me.  But the captain would have been watching the FO....  same difference...

 

Unless they really meant the guy was just a crew member without 777 sim experience etc and for some aweful reason the captain decided to let him "try her out!"

I just got word about official NTSB reports that not only was the aircraft too low but the FDR and CVR reported about 10-14 seconds prior to the crash the stall warnings and stick shakers were going nuts, the pilot tried to initiate a go around and subsequently failed.

 

This sort of supports my initial post of a stall possibly being caused by the spoilers/air brakes being left deployed causing airspeed to bleed. Now tell me I am stupid for calling a stall.

Don't think you're stupid at all...  to me it's clear it stalled into the breakwater/rocks....

To me, labeling another culture's elements as "silly cultural quirks" is ignorant and rude. We need more information about Asiana's safety and training records before we can definitively villainize it.

Agreed all the information needs to be in before casting accusations. But if cultural mores get in the way of safety then they should be vilified, in the same way maverick cow-boy piloting from a Western pilot would rightfully be vilified.

The plane was in the right condition for landing and the engines responded normally.

The approach wasn't stabilized (drifting down with nearly - 1000ft/min on final and - 100ft/min on short final) that's enough for a go around (source Flightradar24). And a go around in such a low speed/altitude and high pitch is impossible.

In my opinion it was an pilot error...

That is such an important statement that speaks on it's own merit? How many can claim that. Very few, if any? :hi:

I would say Finnair falls into this category:

 

Flying since: 1924

Destroyed planes: 0

Total fatalities: 0

 

Selected as the world's safest airlines in 2013:

 

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/worlds-safest-airlines-named-20130110-2cikq.html

 

It remains to be seen if things stay this way as revenue is starting edge past safety in the top priority list (all around the world).