A far as the new P3D version, I'm still not sure it's enough for me to get back into simming.  It's great that LM is putting in the work, but I've always liked to do long hauls on VATSIM with all the goodies.  I'm not sure a 32 bit sim with the high level of stuff the great 3rd party developers are putting into their products these days, can handle it in a 32 bit sim.

 

Interesting comments Jeff that have certainly aroused my curiosity as I have been thinking about going back onto Vatsim for a couple of "cross the ponds".

 

Are you using FSX for your platform or Xplane? What aircraft do you fly for the long hauls? And what other goodies do you use?

Simmers and certain developers can stay with FSX while the rest of us move on.  No one said P3D v2 is perfect but it's at least being actively developed which is a far cry from where FSX is now...

 

I still don't get it.  Why are so many people still talking about "moving on"?  Like you're never going to touch FSX ever again after getting P3D.  Is it really that difficult to enjoy both sims?

 

P3D is not a replacement for FSX.  There will always be more FSX users than P3D.  With the way things are going, FSX still have a long life.

 

We don't even know what kind of performance we'll be getting in P3D because the beta testers are not allowed to talk about it. 

 

Sure P3D is being actively developed, but what exactly is wrong with FSX other than some limitations like visibility layers, issues with some weather types (which looks like ASNext is addressing), etc?  And finally, like many people keep saying...  There is no PMDG on P3D.

 

 

I still don't get it.  Why are so many people still talking about "moving on"?  Like you're never going to touch FSX ever again after getting P3D.  Is it really that difficult to enjoy both sims?

I will give you one:  random FSX crash.  My FSX is as lean as it can be, minimal tweaks, stable yada yada.  Today I start a flight with ORBX KORS, FSGW injector, that's it:  crash after loading.  I have to restart and then I can fly.  Now today my flight is only with the RealAir Legacy.  I have this stupid behavior sometime after spending 30-45 minutes with getting a tube liner flight set up.  If this random crash is gone with P3D V2, PMDG or not, FSX is gone from my HD!  I am simply fed up with tweaks and crashes.

ANZ121 (forum isn't allowing quotes for some reason),

 

Yeah I haven't completed a flight short or long since FS9.  Probably  5 + years since I've actually simmed.

#4 -- Still no sloped runways...

 

Good! It was a decision by Microsoft, not to go with sloping runways with FSX. It was possible of course, just as with X-Plane. Problem is, while some airports look okay, and the effect works......there are many that are a disaster, because our mesh doesn't contain enough elevation points. So when I see postings in favor of X-Plane, using sloped runways as a reason, and then saying "take that Microsoft"......I have that "whatever" thought pattern. And I don't like the use of "whatever".

 

 

So in the meantime, we've got a whole lot of simmers out there, thinking that these roller coaster runways are more realistic. In reality, that would seldom be the case. A grader would have been brought in to level out much of the high and low points for a real life runway.

 

 

I've flown the mountainous area of the western United States in real life, for many years. The sloping runways we get within our flight sims, are not very realistic, unless they've been hand created by 3rd party developers........which are also available for FSX.

 

 

A NO vote from me, for sloped runways as being standard, unless someone volunteers to re-do 10's of thousands of them. Otherwise, you're just being fooled into thinking its a cool addition.

 

God forbid you'd miss a chance to belittle X-Plane eh? :smile:

 

Deactivating sloped runways in X-Plane is as simple as clicking the provided button in the menu, and it's global and instantaneous.

 

Yes, it's true that in many default airports the runways are too much "roller-coaster", but there are also many other default airports in which the sloping is absolutely satisfactory.

 

Moreover, the just released HD mesh v2 for Europe and North America should probably improve the situation for a lot of runways.

I will give you one:  random FSX crash.  My FSX is as lean as it can be, minimal tweaks, stable yada yada.  Today I start a flight with ORBX KORS, FSGW injector, that's it:  crash after loading.  I have to restart and then I can fly.  Now today my flight is only with the RealAir Legacy.  I have this stupid behavior sometime after spending 30-45 minutes with getting a tube liner flight set up.  If this random crash is gone with P3D V2, PMDG or not, FSX is gone from my HD!  I am simply fed up with tweaks and crashes.

 

I never get CTD or OOM with FSX.  Sorry to hear you're having problems.

God forbid you'd miss a chance to belittle X-Plane eh? :smile:

 

Deactivating sloped runways in X-Plane is as simple as clicking the provided button in the menu, and it's global and instantaneous.

 

Yes, it's true that in many default airports the runways are too much "roller-coaster", but there are also many other default airports in which the sloping is absolutely satisfactory.

 

Moreover, the just released HD mesh v2 for Europe and North America should probably improve the situation for a lot of runways.

I praise X-Plane too......once and a while.

 

 

Sloped runways were discussed in the beta process for FSX. I was a beta tester. I was also a pilot, using real world runways that were built on sloped topography. It was decided to stay with flattened airport areas, because "overall", many, many sloped runways would be un-realistic, without a lot of re-programming for thousands of airports. For instance, the runway next door to where I lived, was okay with X-Plane. The runway built on a pre-historic lake shelf on the side of a mountain, just a few miles from where I now live, is a total disaster.....in X-Plane. Nothing realistic about it, yet many users of the program wouldn't know it. If the acceleration and deceleration of a sim airplane depends on the slope, then it's more of an unrealistic disaster.

 

So.......is it a miss for Lockheed Martin not to include "sloped runways", as is listed in #4? I certainly don't think so. It's kind of like the X-Plane torque bug. A lot of simmers just assume it's real, and throw in aileron trim to minimize it. It's the same with roller coaster runways. They'll just roll up and down, and think that's how it really is.

 

Okay, I threw in the "torque bug". This isn't a X-Plane specific forum, and I'm just kind of keeping things more even. Besides, that bug may be corrected next year. :smile:

Now that PMDG announced the development of 777 and 737 for P3D v2 am going down that road

I still don't get it.  Why are so many people still talking about "moving on"?  Like you're never going to touch FSX ever again after getting P3D.  Is it really that difficult to enjoy both sims?

 

P3D is not a replacement for FSX.  There will always be more FSX users than P3D.  With the way things are going, FSX still have a long life.

 

We don't even know what kind of performance we'll be getting in P3D because the beta testers are not allowed to talk about it. 

 

Sure P3D is being actively developed, but what exactly is wrong with FSX other than some limitations like visibility layers, issues with some weather types (which looks like ASNext is addressing), etc?  And finally, like many people keep saying...  There is no PMDG on P3D.

 

 

First off up until FSX we had the luxury to move to the most current sim.  Thanks to FSX's 5 year adjustment to get to a point people could actually use it many had to stay with FS9 for airliner flying and use FSX for GA flying.  Now we're happy to have options. :Whistle:    It was better to have one sim that developers focused on and everyone used that sim because in every way it was better than the last offering.  Even today FS9 freeware tops FSX offerings on Avsim's front page, we've never seen this after 6 years of a product being on the market.  So yes if possible we should move on.  If PMDG wants to be left behind so be it.  I raised the question a month ago why they would build a product like the 777 for a dead/buggy platform.  If P3D v2 is half of what it's being touted as meaning someone can install it and run it without tweaking like Aerofly FS and Flight then the day has arrived to move on.  For those that found the FSX magic bullet with their setup by all means stay with what you prefer.  I did the same with FS9 for years (never bothered to use FSX because I wanted to fly versus tweaking).  

 

As everyone has said to each their own and enjoy the sim you like.  We'll see in the next month how stable and hassle free P3D v2 is.  If there's no hassles involved when it comes to installing it and running it straight out,  FSX is done. =@   It's just a matter of time before PMDG will have to convert their products.  I personally wouldn't stay on bloatware to use one developer's product but that's just me.

Now that PMDG announced the development of 777 and 737 for P3D v2 am going down that road

 

 

Wow that's amazing.  LM must have really outdone themselves.

I would take Frooglesim's comments with a grain of salt. He's been on a huge XPlane campaign/P3D v2 smear campaign. 

 

Not only that, but he's not even a P3D v2 tester. We've tested P3D v2, and you can largely ignore his comments. 

XPlane is a great start, big thumbs up to Laminar. But in terms of features, visuals, I've found P3D takes the cake, by a LOT. 

Sure, it's not 64bit. Neither are 95% of 3d games out there. Most are highly optimized and efficiently reduce memory usage, this is also the case with P3D. The Lockheed Martin team still has plans to even further the memory optimization for versions 1.1 and beyond, including the Smart Scenery Library which was suggested by us and other beta testers. (only loads parts of your scenery library based on where you are). 

 

Most FSX users have invested well over $500 in add ons, some over $1000. With P3D, most of your current licenses are valid for P3D v2 as well. So you don't lose ALL your add ons like you would do if you moved to a new sim. For example, if you bought ANY of flightbeam sceneries, you don't have to repurchase them for P3D. 

 

All the best, 

I would take Frooglesim's comments with a grain of salt. He's been on a huge XPlane campaign/P3D v2 smear campaign. 

 

Now that's what I call paranoia of the highest order.

 

Froogle has done nothing of the sort. He has stated clearly in all his videos that it's not an "us vs. them" thing, it's a simulation thing. I guess some people can't tolerate the idea of more than one kid in the sandbox.

Now that's what I call paranoia of the highest order.

 

Froogle has done nothing of the sort. He has stated clearly in all his videos that it's not an "us vs. them" thing, it's a simulation thing. I guess some people can't tolerate the idea of more than one kid in the sandbox.

 

 

I wouldn't say that, people can't tolerate someone who doesn't know what their talking about.  If he hasn't tested the sim and/or had his hands on the product in any way what the heck is he talking about?  I'd go with the developers and testers that's used the product and who have already given products to the community.  There's something about this release that is so different than what we experienced with every past FS release from Microsoft.  Plus most FSX stuff works so it's a no brainer.  I'll add to that in saying a developer will let you migrate free of charge (many others will follow suite), who the heck is Froogle??? On this issue it sounds like he's trolling but there always has to be that one.

it's not an "us vs. them" thing, it's a simulation thing.

 

 

A very carefully chosen, but inaccurate set of words. Unfortunately, when you spread false information over youtube, AVSIM and Facebook about Prepar3d V2 when you haven't even used it, I refer to it as a smear campaign. 

 

Cheers!

A very carefully chosen, but inaccurate set of words. Unfortunately, when you spread false information over youtube, AVSIM and Facebook about Prepar3d V2 when you haven't even used it, I refer to it as a smear campaign. 

 

Cheers!

 

What false information would that be? The licensing issue? That's pretty black and white. It's the leaps of logic that others are making to clear their consciences that is in the grey area.

 

And Dillon, Froogle is a journalist who contributes articles to PC Pilot magazine and has a YouTube channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/frooglesim/videos devoted to featuring all flight sim products with reviews, previews, etc. It's worth a look to see for yourself instead of taking the word of someone with a financial interest in fending off interest in other flight sim platforms.

A very carefully chosen, but inaccurate set of words. Unfortunately, when you spread false information over youtube, AVSIM and Facebook about Prepar3d V2 when you haven't even used it, I refer to it as a smear campaign.

 

Cheers!

I call it "froogleism". Ever read the Sun newspaper? Or what's that american tabloid that often headlines Elvis or Aliens?

 

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