I just wish someone would develop and actual NEW sim that is made for modern hardware and people who wants to fly and not just edit .cfg files all day long.

 

I have been clamoring for this for many moons now and built my current PC in the hopes P3D V2 would be this new sim.  In some ways it very much is, or will be:  the rendering engine is fundamentally so different that it is able to leverage much more of at least the GPU/VRAM subsystem than its predecessor.  Where it gets dicey, and I got this from someone involved professionally w/ both sims, the objects (scenery, aircraft, buildings) that P3D V2 uses (and V 1.4 etc) were inherited from FSX and so were not specifically designed for the new rendering engine per se.   But...were they 'optimized' prior to packaging in the V2 default installation?  That sounds like a potentially huge project which begs the question, if the supplied objects in V2 default install are poorly optimized for the new engine will they ever be?  I think by the time you create the new rendering engine AND optimize the objects to be rendered--you have the NEW sim.

 

As people w/ strong hardware here have found, V2 does perform quite well, despite its inherited object set.  I know I'm seeing excellent performance overall.  What I would really like to know is how much 'optimization' can add to performance.   It appears the real complete NEW sim could be the 64-bit re-write of P3D, at which time everything gets optimized, or so it would seem likely.

It's the price we pay to have, open ended, highly customizable software.

 

Some have to come to a realization. These new games that look and play so good have budgets over $100,000,000.00 and 100's of developer's working on them. They are huge production's made for a mass market in the multi millions. A market size that just doesn't exist in our hobby.

 

It would take an investment of over a $100,000,000.00 to please some of the people on this site, and that's just not going to happen.

$100,000,000.00?

 

Darn!

 

I don't have that much! :huh:

 

 

enjoy been a beta tester, that is the main reason why I'm sticking with FSX DX10

 

LOL! FSX DX10, in case you didn't know, is a neverending perpetual beta which will never ever be completed, so enjoy your everlasting beta testing that will never ever lead to something new. Unlike P3D 2.0, which has an actual future. I don't know how bright that future will be but it's sure as hell has a better future than FSX DX10! ^_^

He said FSX was a tweaker's heaven.  I got the impression he didn't have P3D yet.

 

Just out of curiosity, given your opposition to the general public having access to P3D before such topics got banned at Avsim, which version did you buy?  And how did you justify it?  Or did you buy it at all?

 

Hook

 

Quote from addman "  But I guess it's tweakers paradise right now with P3D recently so I'm glad you guys enjoy it, " end of quote.

 

Wrong Hook, I do not have any opposition/access to P3D for the general public, to whom want to buy it just need to knock themselves out, one of my VERY good friend got it, he asked me to look at it with him, we tried it together/tweaked it, he has a top of the line PC (he can afford to buy new hardware at released) with 2 Titan in SLI (we tried everything, SLI/single card), we also compared testing with his 780Ti and that's when we came to the conclusion that V2.0 was not ready for released.

 

Did V2.0 performed somewhat good on his PC, the answer is yes BUT that was without any 3PD add on as they bugged V2.0 beyond believe, (I know.... different folks different stroke) and that was NOT with sliders as far as we would have liked to have them, I mean seriously who want to buy V2.0 or any other game for that matter if they can't use it maxed out on a top of the line PC....not me, I can seriously understand that not everybody can afford a Titan (or 2) with all hardware to follow these card, and from there users of mid range PC can't expect their sim/other games to be maxed out and they know that but to whom is the exception and do have a $8,000.00 PC should NOT have problems with any game/sim unless they have to many bugs. 

 

Do I also understand that P3D V2.0 is a work in progress...yes, and that is why I said that V2.0 was not ready for released yet, LM's decision = more unhappy camper compare to the happy one.

 

As for your last question, I do not have it as I personally do not qualify for it, that's all I have to say on that.

 

 

Well, that is your subjectiveness and nothing more. Mine is this and nothing more: It is flyer's heaven to me, not tweakers heaven, although it IS fun to play around with, not out of frustration as FSX was, but to see what new visual frontiers can be had. The performance is there, right where I want it, no tweaking needed. Are our P3Dv2 versions different?         

 

Am all rooting for you, I'm not writing here to tell anybody that they should not buy/use P3D, if you are please with what you have I'm sure you don't need another version/upgrade.

 

 

LOL! FSX DX10, in case you didn't know, is a neverending perpetual beta which will never ever be completed, so enjoy your everlasting beta testing that will never ever lead to something new. Unlike P3D 2.0, which has an actual future. I don't know how bright that future will be but it's sure as hell has a better future than FSX DX10! ^_^

 

My point exactly, I don't need to beta test something else.

How can someone keep repeating the same thing for months on end? 

But...were they 'optimized' prior to packaging in the V2 default installation?

Prepar3D has much improved graphics and additional features compared with FSX/ESP following a rewrite of the graphics system together with facilities to enable developers to "plug-in" their own improvements. 

 

 

 However, Lockheed Martin made it clear that the remainder of Prepar3D is little changed and remains basically FSX/ESP - even to the extent of carrying over some errors from FSX. The SDK still contains the limitation that

 

For aircraft, texture maps cannot currently exceed 1024x1024 pixels in size.

 

Alain, given that you have so little time with P3D (and on a friend's machine at that); and given that you scour posts to find negative things to say about P3D without any first hand knowledge or experience;  perhaps you can scale back your criticism until you have more to add to the discussion.

 

How did P3D work before you started tweaking, or did you tweak before you ever flew it?  How did your VERY good friend like P3D before you got involved?

 

And why the crusade against P3D anyway?  That doesn't make any sense.

 

Hook

Did V2.0 performed somewhat good on his PC, the answer is yes BUT that was without any 3PD add on as they bugged V2.0 beyond believe, (I know.... different folks different stroke) and that was NOT with sliders as far as we would have liked to have them, I mean seriously who want to buy V2.0 or any other game for that matter if they can't use it maxed out on a top of the line PC....

 

What is this fixation with being able to "max out sliders?" 

 

All sliders are are a range of settings that the developer defines.  Being able to max out a sim on today's hardware simply mean that that sim was created without any overhead (no room for improvement as hardware improves).  What system can run X-Plane 10 with all the settings maxed out?

 

If you want to max out the settings on your games/sims ... get an XBox.

 

BTW, I'm really enjoying flying P3D2 . . . without editing files or spending countless hours tweaking things.  I simple found the settings the work the best for my system, left them there, and now just fly.

 

 

And why the crusade against P3D anyway?  That doesn't make any sense.

 

Hook

 

If he's continued to be allowed to post here I will once again stop using AVSIM.. He.. And he alone is the reason I never contributed to the Prepar3D forum. He was allowed to run around here at free will spitting the same ad nauseam. It was only when I noticed he was `vacationed' and I didn't see his posts everywhere did I finally decide to contribute. He is without a doubt the worst poster I've ever seen and his agenda and crusade is so transparent you could see it with a blindfold on.. He does nothing but derail threads with the same crap he was talking as soon as v2 was officially announced.. I refuse to even acknowledge him by name or even quote his posts.. He's just terrible. 

FS9 FSX FSXDX10 P3D1.4 P3DV2 XP10 (1 is too old, 1 is too new)

 

FSDX10 XP10 P3D1.4 (1 is too buggy, 1 not quite there)

 

P3D1.4 ...the best usable platform currently available

 

V2.xx or some version of XP will take the next slot, probably sooner rather than later. The future of this hobby looks fantastic.

 

 

P3D1.4 ...the best usable platform currently available

 

=FSX

I have called 1.4, the best version of FSX! 

Hi Bill,

 

Friend, don't ever let your distaste and disgust ever control your head or your heart like this. Your life and limb are not connected to Alaine or anyone else in any way, unless you invite and authorize such a thing.

 

I don't want to sound preachy, and this has nothing to do with either theology or philosophy, and my comments are prompted by neither, but by alarm and concern with your words.

 

Relax Bill, you are surrounded by friends. It is just that some are a little closer to you than others.

 

Kindest regards,

How can someone keep repeating the same thing for months on end?

A very bitter person from what I see in here.

 

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