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Call me old fashioned, but i prefer the old steam gauge aircraft, modern aircraft look like Apple Stores.

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All those giant screens and still no EICAS. Come on, Boeing...

That part probably has at least as much to do with the airlines, as it does with Boeing.

The thing is, airlines want the MAX to be as much like a current 737 NG as possible, to keep the common type rating, and keep the difference course for pilots transitioning from the NG to the MAX (or flying them mixer fleet) to a minimum.

As such, Boeing has no choice but to listen to its customers.

On the other hand, Boeing is probably largely responsible for it too. They need to keep the evolution within certain limits, or the Certifying Authorities will not accept it under "grandfather rights".

A lot of stuff, mainly things considering safety, would not be allowed if Boeing was designing the airplane today. They use grandfather rights to make sure the "new" airplane can get certified within certain limits. The 747 uses this system too.

It's not dangerous, it's just that the industry has somewhat moved on, and safe standards have evolved.

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I have heard from a variety of sources that Southwest Airlines still has considerable clout on design with Boeing.

 

Be interesting to see if the overhead panel is changed much?

 

Bill Clark

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I really like the huge ND. It will be a bit of a problem for us flight simmers when and if we'll ever get this plane on our hands in FSX cause we'll have to choose between either having a smaller ND crowded with engine indications, or have a nice big ND with the engine indications all the way on the side of the pilot monitoring. Not an issue in RL, though.

 

What i don't like is that PFD... I've never been a fan of the "floating indications over sky/ground background" style PFD. But hey... Boeing aren't building this plane for me so it's all good  :lol:

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Hi Bill. From what we have seen at WN; NOPE! Still gonna have that damn 70's technology overhead again!

 

I guess the FAA thinks it's too confusing to push a button, as opposed to throwing a switch.

 

Was hoping with the MAX, we could move  into the 21st century at least. :-)

 

Best,

David

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Hi Bill. From what we have seen at WN; NOPE! Still gonna have that damn 70's technology overhead again!

 

I guess the FAA thinks it's too confusing to push a button, as opposed to throwing a switch.

 

Was hoping with the MAX, we could move into the 21st century at least. :-)

 

Best,

David

I think you mean 60's! Well almost. Get with the bloody times Boeing!

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I have to say that the new cockpit looks less inviting than a 777 or the new 747.   I don't really like the 787 cockpit to be brutally honest!   I know people are going to throw stones at me for this, but hey, it is what it is right hahaha?

 

One of the reasons that I have never liked Airbus that much was because it had a cold, plastic and completely impersonal feel to it.   Boeing was always different but now seems to be moving in that same direction.   I just liked the older style cockpits more :-).

 

Kind regards 

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I have to say that the new cockpit looks less inviting than a 777 or the new 747.   I don't really like the 787 cockpit to be brutally honest!   I know people are going to throw stones at me for this, but hey, it is what it is right hahaha?

 

One of the reasons that I have never liked Airbus that much was because it had a cold, plastic and completely impersonal feel to it.   Boeing was always different but now seems to be moving in that same direction.   I just liked the older style cockpits more :-).

 

Kind regards 

 

Was never a fan of brown though, preferred Airbus blue or Douglas grey.

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Was never a fan of brown though, preferred Airbus blue or Douglas grey.

It was chosen based on feedback from psycology studies where the brown-tan look was more calming to crews, compared with dark or cold colours. To me, the 737NGX cockpit does seem "cold" and less inviting than the T7 with its nice yellowish glow of all the panel lights reflecting off the brown-tan background. 

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The form factor will make home cockpits even easier to build providing the software is written for it. I like :)

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I am not liking the new types of displays it makes me feel that I am in the future. I'm going to miss the old designs such as in the 737ngx, 777, a330, etc.


I have to say that the new cockpit looks less inviting than a 777 or the new 747.   I don't really like the 787 cockpit to be brutally honest!   I know people are going to throw stones at me for this, but hey, it is what it is right hahaha?

 

One of the reasons that I have never liked Airbus that much was because it had a cold, plastic and completely impersonal feel to it.   Boeing was always different but now seems to be moving in that same direction.   I just liked the older style cockpits more :-).

 

Kind regards 

I agree with you

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Must say that cockpit looks pretty nice. I certainly hope (with everything crossed) PMDG do a version in the future. I still like the cluttered old steam cockpits(727/707/DC-9 etc) but to the neat n tidy freak in me that really hits the spot.

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My favorite is getting up to the deck of a bird where human factors clearly weren't a consideration.

 

MD80 anyone?

Well, the pneumatics are up here, but the crossbleed is down on the pedestal.  The lights?  Yeah, they're all over the place.  Good luck finding the right one.  I mean, the electrics and hydraulics are kinda grouped together.  The trim?  Good luck figuring that one out.  It's kinda clever, but at the same time, what?  Also, anything we couldn't find a spot for, we put over the FO's head.  Why not?  We already punish the right seat by making them the "designated go outside in the rain to preflight" person...now, we're just adding "figure out your side of the overhead, too."

 

Oddly enough, on the color theme, the MD went from cold blue (when it was the DC9 series), to beige (when it became the DC9 Super 80 series), to grey (when it became the MD95/717 and took on the panel accents of the MD11).

 

I, personally, hate the blue.  Airbus, old DC, or otherwise (to include the Tupolev celadon color...what happened there?  В Советской России небо голубое и так ты?).

 

Not so much a fan of the new 737Max or 787 flight decks, either, but I think I'm just used to a certain vintage.  I'll get used to it.  I hated the G1000 for a while, too.

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Jeez Kyle, you're like a woman who's trying to pick the right dress when it comes to airplane cockpits.  :P

I personally don't care whether the flightdeck is blue, green, beige, grey or pink as long as it works as it should.

I'm a huge fan of the 787 and its cockpit philosophy - just about anything in that plane is state of the art and looks like something from the future. You could basically fly this plane looking at the PFD only as it has an integrated ND at the bottom. 

 

Airbus rolled out their A320 neo a couple hours ago and it really looks like any regular A320 with sharklets and bigger engines, which look pretty sweet by the way - kind of remind me of those PW's on a 777. I wonder what changes were applied to the flightdeck and whether it got the bigger screens. 

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All those giant screens and still no EICAS.  Come on, Boeing...

Looks like they're combining the ND and EICAS on the same screen! I'm a little surprised they aren't developing this on a full motion simulator. They're going to have to do that anyway at some point. I would think doing it now, would put them ahead of the curve!

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MD80 anyone?

 

Reminds me of this video with all the quirks of an MD80: 

And since you mentioned light switches, here's some on the 757: 

 

Some planes really seem to have random switch placement... 

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Looks like they're combining the ND and EICAS on the same screen! I'm a little surprised they aren't developing this on a full motion simulator. They're going to have to do that anyway at some point. I would think doing it now, would put them ahead of the curve!

You don't need full motion for an engineering sim. In fact it will be a disadvantage (access to update equipment is less convenient and prototype hardware not packaged efficiently). There is no advantage in putting an engineering sim on motion.

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(to include the Tupolev celadon color...what happened there?  В Советской России небо голубое и так ты?).

 

Not sure what you mean... there are some blue ones, but most, really almost all of them, are the typical russian aviation green. Also said to be calming.

Oh and the smell... the typical smell.

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Not sure what you mean... there are some blue ones, but most, really almost all of them, are the typical russian aviation green. Also said to be calming.

Oh and the smell... the typical smell.

 

The color it reminds me of is what I've always called celadon, which is a green hue, but it's not the same when displayed on a computer screen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celadon_(color)#Celadon

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The color it reminds me of is what I've always called celadon, which is a green hue, but it's not the same when displayed on a computer screen:
http://en.wikipedia....(color)#Celadon

 

Oh, yes. What's it got to do with blue though?

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