Agreed using the Turbine Duke as a basic trainer is like using a Ferrari to learn how to parallel park lol, altho after you are comfortable with VORs/NDBs...etc, the TDuke will be an excellent platform to practice this stuff since it requires you to think quickly.  

 

The Legacy might be a good choice if you have already had some training, but if you want to stay in the RealAir camp, the old Citabria from the Scout 2007 package is one of the best stick n rudder trainers around, that would be an excellent choice for going back to the basics, especially with it's panel options of removable autopilot, six pack options, choice of CDI/HSI/RMI...etc.

 

Outside of RealAir, the A2A GAs, 172, Cherokee are great, then 182 after you understand the basics...you want to start out with something slow enough that will let you fly the airplane and be able to compute this stuff in your head.  Use Skyvector for charts and nav info and you should be good to go.  

 

Just remember the old adage when using an RMI 'Tails Rise, Heads Fall'

 

Cheers

TJ

 

 

Agreed using the Turbine Duke as a basic trainer is like using a Ferrari to learn how to parallel park

 

My brother always thought that it was a good idea to train in the plane you were going to own right from the start (GA of course, commercial is a whole other thing). We've heard of a student who bought a Piper Meridian, and started his training in it right out of ground school. Of course you would have to start out in a single before going twin, but choosing T-prop as trainer is not too crazy of an idea.

Agreed using the Turbine Duke as a basic trainer is like using a Ferrari to learn how to parallel park lol, altho after you are comfortable with VORs/NDBs...etc, the TDuke will be an excellent platform to practice this stuff since it requires you to think quickly.  

 

Reminds me of the time I almost got upside down in the RA Legacy hand flying an ILS in fog. "Stable IFR platform"... heh, sure it is. Watch out for that roll rate though, she's a doozy.

 

I don't think the Duke would be too bad though. You just gotta watch the turbines' power output. Can't help but think of this movie scene when I fly the Duke Turbine sometimes: 

lol compared to the RV-7 and P-51 which I was flying a lot of, the Legacy is a fantastic IFR platform by hand.  There is a reason why RVs owners recommend installing autopilots for IFR work lol.    I was quite happy flying IAPs by hand in the Legacy.  

 

Chris was asking about learning a new set of skills.  A slow uncomplicated plane would probably serve him best in this case, so he can focus on the skill.  Learning to enter an ADF hold will be a lot easier in a Citabria or Cherokee than it would be a T-Duke or P-51 lol.   There is more time to process what is going on and make corrections.

 

Cheers

TJ

 

note: N2060V and Blank Texture sets for TDukeV2 submitted for upload.

We've heard of a student who bought a Piper Meridian, and started his training in it right out of ground school.

 

And I've recently read final report of a pilot who killed himself and his wife in SR22, because he was too stubborn to train in lower performance aircraft first. His training didn't went well, he was bad in handling his aircraft. Finished his PPL and then flew directly into the slope of the hill in IMC.

 

I wish that common sense was really so common.

And I've recently read final report of a pilot who killed himself and his wife in SR22, because he was too stubborn to train in lower performance aircraft first. His training didn't went well, he was bad in handling his aircraft. Finished his PPL and then flew directly into the slope of the hill in IMC.

 

I wish that common sense was really so common.

Countless lives lost in slow light aircraft as well and a good many through IMC conditions, usually inadvertently. Unfortunately its not an exact science and one of the reasons we are taught how to precautionary land into a paddock (simulated ..usually) in case of that one time the weather turns nasty very very quickly..not necessarily bad handling but rather bad planning

Interesting discussion above. If losing control or losing your way is just about airspeed or power, then we should all give up! The Legacy has a "rol" mode which kicks in immediately you switch on autopilot and levels the wings. If you select one stage of flap and set power to around 60% and press alt hold you can bumble around at just a tad above C172 cruise speeds with wings level then sort out the mess you're in. If you are in fog it doesn't matter whether you are in a Piper Cub or an Airbus. You are equally in the **** unless you know exactly where you are.

 

In higher performing aircraft you can also switch to simulator half speed. Nothing changes except you have double the time to sort things out nav wise! 

 

The autopilot basics are there to help, whatever aircraft you are in.

I can quite easily cruise around in the Piston Duke at barely more than 100 knots with full flaps....

Interesting discussion above. If losing control or losing your way is just about airspeed or power, then we should all give up! The Legacy has a "rol" mode which kicks in immediately you switch on autopilot and levels the wings. If you select one stage of flap and set power to around 60% and press alt hold you can bumble around at just a tad above C172 cruise speeds with wings level then sort out the mess you're in. If you are in fog it doesn't matter whether you are in a Piper Cub or an Airbus. You are equally in the **** unless you know exactly where you are.

 

In higher performing aircraft you can also switch to simulator half speed. Nothing changes except you have double the time to sort things out nav wise!

 

The autopilot basics are there to help, whatever aircraft you are in.

I've always appreciated having incredible panel options including auto pilot on RA planes. I even put a full autopilot and HSI into the Scout, which has always been my favorite bush plane in part due to its instrumention.

 

Once stabilised with flaps and wheels down the Legacy is more stable, and I usually get into a dirty configuration a little earlier now. I think my major issue when I first started flying it was getting used to the roll rates on an aerobatic plane. After a while I got used to applying more upward elevator with aileron to produce more lift in a bank. I usually keep the legacy on autopilot for IMC approaches though. There's really nothing good my ham hands can add to the situation.

lol yeah the saying is that "A Cub will just barely kill you."  I started in 172s, then immediately after getting my PPL went straight in to Beech Duchess for MEL, immediate jump in speed and complexity.  After the MEL, I went back into 172 for initial instrument training.  I remember how easy slow the 172 seemed after the Duchess....my brain had time to process stuff, with time left over lol.    I do remember a distinct point tho in after my training where I was so concentrated on focusing on 'flying the airplane' prior to being able fly the airplane with instinct, and be able to shift my focus inside and outside, look at some scenery, talk to ATC, instructor, comfortable enough to take passengers, take on a higher performance plane...etc.  Train in whatever plane you like, just remember the more complex the plane, the more things you have to keep track of, and the less time you have to focus on whatever skill you are trying to learn.

 

Take a DME arc for instance....the rule of thumb for entering a DME Arc, take your groundspeed (use Groundspeed as it accounts for winds), drop the last digit, divide by 2, then add or subtract this number as a tenth to the DME depending on which direction you are entering the Arc.  ie entering 10DME arc From station....120kts  120 (drop 0) 12/2=6, 10-0.6=9.4.  Begin your turn standard rate turn onto the Arc at 9.4DME 

 

 Checkride tolerances for an Arc are +/- 1nm either side.  In a slow plane you have ample time to do the math in your head, enter the arc, make corrections, reference the approach plate, follow the arc no matter the wind conditions, exit the arc at the specified radial.   If you try a DME Arc in a fast plane without that skill being instinct, you will blow through the tolerances before you know it.   

 

Cheers

TJ

 

 

His training didn't went well, he was bad in handling his aircraft. Finished his PPL and then flew directly into the slope of the hill in IMC.

 

I think that had more to do with him being a bad pilot. Some are more "natural" then others. PPL is not the end of training, and no one should sign off on one just because the required hours has passed either. Allot of links failed in that poor guys flight training, his check ride inspector, and his own common sense too. Sorry to hear that, truly.

 

 

Reminds me of the time I almost got upside down in the RA Legacy hand flying an ILS in fog.

 

Heh.  It wouldn't be a realistic sim if someone didn't do that.  Pretty bad safety record.  But, if you keep it in the sky you've done something well.

Heh.  It wouldn't be a realistic sim if someone didn't do that.  Pretty bad safety record.  But, if you keep it in the sky you've done something well.

It can be handful at times. I appreciate the encouraging words though. After becoming obsessed with the Lancair I started researching it and discovered a pretty troublesome safety record as well. There was interesting discussion of it on the Lergacy Owners Club thread. Speaking of which, maybe it's time the Duke T got one of those too.

For Rob or Sean,

 

Im seeing a huge FPS loss in the V2 turbine duke when the mouse cursor is on screen. This didnt happen with the v1 version or the Legacy.

 

Is there any reason why this is an issue with the V2 version?

 

Locked at 30 FPS, I can easily maintain this with my settings in FSX, even in Orbx scenery etc.

 

I can see a drop from 30 down to 22-24 when the mouse is on screen and it makes things very stuttery.

 

The problem is present even with the 'no GPS' option but appears to be slightly worse with the RXP or F1 GTN options installed.

FSX Mouse/FPS drops problem has been reported in other payware aircraft also:

 

I just seen this info: