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Hello everyone,

I have spent countless money on FSX in hope of getting it smooth but could not.
Since new P3D V3 looks promising I have decided to upgrade my current PC which is.:

 

I7 2600K @ 4.2 Ghz

GTX 680

8GB DDR-III

But with this PC that I currently have ,P3D fails to perform with High end addons like - PMDG,ASN,REX4.I get about 20 FPS and addons airports it's as less as 12-15 )

 

So after watching youtube videos on new RIGs where P3D V3 performs much better

 

My new Upgrad shall  be

 

I7 4970K

GTX980 (4GB)

16GB RAM

 

However I still  doubt if I upgrade , It(FPS) will not be siginificantly improved. I remember few months back when People used to say get i7 2600k series and its smooth as anything but No.

Will the above requirements promise me to give @least 25-30 FPS LOCKED  with All high end addons & settings to High?I cannot composite visuals .

Is having a Smooth NON LAGGY sim a myth?

Low FPS -  Simulation experience ruined for me .

 

Please help me out

Thanks in Advance ... (People with same RIGs as above can guide me better or any one expert in it)

 

Best regards

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My recommendation would be to go for the Skylake 6700K instead of the 4970K. You will also benefit from all the other features that the associated new motherboards now offer.

 

Also, I would recommend either getting the GTX 980TI or just getting a GTX 970 (what I have) and overclocking it (as it can reach almost the same speed as the GTX980 but considerably less expensive. You could always get the 970 and use the extra cash to get the 6700K.

 

Also with the new Nvidia Pascal video cards coming in 2016, we will be moving to 16GB  (up to 32GB) of VRAM and a host of other big jumps (apparently) so probably there is no point in over investing in the graphics card at this stage of the year.

 

My two cents  :smile:

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My recommendation would be to go for the Skylake 6700K instead of the 4970K. You will also benefit from all the other features that the associated new motherboards now offer.

 

Also, I would recommend either getting the GTX 980TI or just getting a GTX 970 (what I have) and overclocking it (as it can reach almost the same speed as the GTX980 but considerably less expensive. You could always get the 970 and use the extra cash to get the 6700K.

 

Also with the new Nvidia Pascal video cards coming in 2016, we will be moving to 16GB  (up to 32GB) of VRAM and a host of other big jumps (apparently) so probably there is no point in over investing in the graphics card at this stage of the year.

 

My two cents  :smile:

 

I second that. Very good advise on all points. However, even with this system you shouldn't expect to get 30 fps with all add-ons and high settings in every situation. It's always a matter of selecting reasonable settings for the specific add-ons you want to use. Then you will get very good performance with the new system.

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My recommendation would be to go for the Skylake 6700K instead of the 4970K. You will also benefit from all the other features that the associated new motherboards now offer.

 

Also, I would recommend either getting the GTX 980TI or just getting a GTX 970 (what I have) and overclocking it (as it can reach almost the same speed as the GTX980 but considerably less expensive. You could always get the 970 and use the extra cash to get the 6700K.

 

Also with the new Nvidia Pascal video cards coming in 2016, we will be moving to 16GB  (up to 32GB) of VRAM and a host of other big jumps (apparently) so probably there is no point in over investing in the graphics card at this stage of the year.

 

My two cents  :smile:

Out of curiosity, why at 6700K and not a 6600K?

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Also, I would recommend either getting the GTX 980TI or just getting a GTX 970 (what I have) and overclocking it (as it can reach almost the same speed as the GTX980 but considerably less expensive.

 

My two cents :smile:

 

OT - but do you use evga Precision for this? What settings do you use?

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I have this exact specs. With everything maxed out you won´t have 30 fps stable. In big cities (or over lots of vegetation) you will face some slideshow. 

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I have the same specs you want to upgrade to. Running PMDG 737NGX with ASN, REX 4 Texture Direct and FTX Norway with most of the sliders to the right. I still not been under 25 fps and everything is as smooth as it can be (except from textures can be a little slow loading, but trying to fix that atm)

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I would not buy a thing, until the new nVidia Pascal cards come out next year,  mid year?....

 

They will blow away, anything that has come before them...and the tech puts to bed, any chance of having a GPU bottlenect/driver crash issue, ever again, in any flight sim.

 

I'm waiting for the 16 or 32 GB model...around next May or June...and then I will retire the GTX680 to my son.  I knew there was a reason to my GPU upgrade procrastinating....and I just read what it was today.  The Pascal cards will be truly revolutionary...., don't spend a dollar until then...would be my recommendation.....

 

 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2898175/nvidias-next-gen-pascal-gpu-will-offer-10x-the-performance-of-titan-x-8-way-sli.html

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I would not buy a thing, until the new nVidia Pascal cards come out next year,  mid year?....

 

They will blow away, anything that has come before them...and the tech puts to bed, any chance of having a GPU bottlenect/driver crash issue, ever again, in any flight sim.

 

I'm waiting for the 16 or 32 GB model...around next May or June...and then I will retire the GTX680 to my son.  I knew there was a reason to my GPU upgrade procrastinating....and I just read what it was today.  The Pascal cards will be truly revolutionary...., don't spend a dollar until then...would be my recommendation.....

 

 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2898175/nvidias-next-gen-pascal-gpu-will-offer-10x-the-performance-of-titan-x-8-way-sli.html

The Pascal cards will be a game changer for sure, however upgrading every 3 months is possible with no money lost using the Evga step up program. Google it and see for yourself, its really a good way to stay on top of tech.

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The Pascal cards will be a game changer for sure, however upgrading every 3 months is possible with no money lost using the Evga step up program. Google it and see for yourself, its really a good way to stay on top of tech.

I'll look at that. :)

 

I was about to pull the trigger on a GTX980Ti...but I mean..wow.....reading today about Pascal...for sure I am waiting. This sounds just like what I wanted...especially for XPX...

Again, pretty excited to see this come into the store....:)

 

Cheers,

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I would ignore all the pascal talk for a few reasons.

Firstly pascal is suffering from the usual pre release 'this will change everything hype' that every generation of graphics card suffers from 6-12 months before they come out. I'm sure it will be good - I'm interested in improving my performance just as much as anyone - just don't get carried away.

 

Secondly it is slated for mid 2016 at the earliest, hardware is often delayed so you can easily end up falling into the just wait another few months trap. There will always be something better in a few months. Chances are it will be delayed.

 

Thirdly all the talk of 16 gig....it is up to 16 gig which means the new titan equivalent will come with 16gig and a thousand pound price tag. Maybe you have the budget for that - I don't know.

 

Overall I'm sure it will be a great chip for the next generation of GeForce but I'd wait and get the second wave of cards. They will be cheaper and faster with more memory. Just like with the 900 series and every other release ever. Who knows - amd might pull something out of the bag! :)

 

What I would do now is get a 900 series graphics card which is more than enough if you are running at 1080p with your current chip.

Maybe overclock your current cpu a bit more. It should be very capable even today. On one of my systems I have an old 2500k running at 4.7 and Im struggling to justify upgrading it as it isn't actually that much slower than the newer stuff which often doesn't clock aswell.

This will give you instant performance now and also you will have all that system money available for a year or more down the line when there really will be a big jump to be had. Maybe we will be closer to needing all that vram with prepar3d 64bit!

 

Don't think I'm anti pascal, I can't wait for them. I just think a 900 series will give you what you need now. I can run 4K with 2 970s on a 2500k at locked 30fps easily. Even at oom inducing slider levels with all the usual asn, precipitfx, atc, orbx etc etc. Not sure sli is giving me any benefit at the moment with v3 either so don't read too much into the fact I have 2 of them. The only thing that pulls it sub 30 is the 737ng at a complex airport.

 

Chris

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The GPUs aren't really the issue with P3D. Now that nVidia has created an SLI profile--and that LM has made more refinements to that architecture with P3Dv3--you can have as much GPU performance as your bank account allows... and now, for that matter. And as with all operational improvements, you then simply move the bottleneck elsewhere. And in P3D's case, the CPU. And even a 6700k OCed to 5GHz won't help you in a PMDG craft over NYC with even modest amounts of autogen and AI. There is no CPU on the market that will you get you everything you want so, that being the case, buy as much CPU as you can afford. For me, at least, I always find that the settings I like to max out stress the CPU (autogen, AI, LOD, etc.). For the GPU, it almost always just comes down to clouds and the amount of SGSS anti-aliasing, which I'll turn down if needed...

 

And that's kind of where I see a catch-22 with X-Plane. It's so much more GPU-dependent yet doesn't support SLI.

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My recommendation would be to go for the Skylake 6700K instead of the 4970K. You will also benefit from all the other features that the associated new motherboards now offer.

 

Also, I would recommend either getting the GTX 980TI or just getting a GTX 970 (what I have) and overclocking it (as it can reach almost the same speed as the GTX980 but considerably less expensive. You could always get the 970 and use the extra cash to get the 6700K.

 

Also with the new Nvidia Pascal video cards coming in 2016, we will be moving to 16GB  (up to 32GB) of VRAM and a host of other big jumps (apparently) so probably there is no point in over investing in the graphics card at this stage of the year.

 

My two cents  :smile:

I agree with this as well. The jury is still out on how much better the 6700K is over the 4970K, but going with the 6700K and a Z170 board will give you a good system now with more options for later.

 

I also like the idea of saving the money by going with the GTX 970 overclocked. I have a GTX970 overclocked from Gigabyte and it was a great value for the performance I got. New GPUs are always coming, so save now to buy later. :smile:

 

This is all coming from an someone playing Prepar3D on an AMD CPU who'd love to be able to afford the upgrade to an Intel CPU. :vava:

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Thanks a lot everyone for your suggestions,

 

So right now I have 2 options either to wait till next year or get GTX 970 with 6700K series and Z170 board but since I will be very busy with ATPL exams next year for now I might go with 6700K,OCd GTX970 and Z170 board... Is any one currently owning the 6700k here??

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Thanks a lot everyone for your suggestions,

 

So right now I have 2 options either to wait till next year or get GTX 970 with 6700K series and Z170 board but since I will be very busy with ATPL exams next year for now I might go with 6700K,OCd GTX970 and Z170 board... Is any one currently owning the 6700k here??

I am very happy with my new build.

6700k @ 4.8

ASUS Z170 Maximus Hero

2 x GTX 970's

Win 10

 

Runs 4K very well.

 

Cheers

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1. Per generation, Intel CPU's offer between 5-10% more performance with the same clock speeds. For FSX/P3D I guess you would be closer to 5% than 10%. This means, as a Skylake processor is the third generation after your Sandybridge CPU, you would have the same performance as you have now with an i7-2600K@4.2GHz with an i7-6700K running at 3.65GHz.

 

2. In low FPS ranges as you already are, be aware that it needs high performance gains to really recognize any benefit. If you are running P3D at 20FPS now, an performance increase of 20% (which is a lot) only means 24FPS. Regarding the point 1., running an 6700K at 4.4GHz (should be easily possible) would give you more or less those 20% increased performance. Now it is up to you if you think spending money for a new CPU, RAM, mainboard and graphicscard is worth the 4FPS you will gain...

 

3. I would NEVER buy a GTX-970. Sure, for FSX, the graphics card is not that important, but for P3D it is a little bit more essential. The GTX-970 has the problem, that actually only 3.5GB of the video RAM is full speed and 512MB is extremly slow. However, as P3D is still a 32bit software, most probably you will never run into those 512MB video ram, but still, I would not buy it.

 

Taken together, I would strongly recommend Sidh here to first replace the GTX-680 with a novel card such as the GTX-980 or even the 980Ti. Only then, when you think that your performance with the 2600K is still not sufficient enough, I would consider replacing CPU, mainboard and RAM. Otherwise, you spend so much money at once without knowing properly if you will also benefit from it.

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I am considering upgrading from a gtx970 to a 980 and I currently have an intel i5 3570k. Would I see much of a performance increase if I also get an i7 6700K along with the upgrade in gpu? Also, is there much of a difference between the i5 6600K and the i7 6700K?

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I'm moving this over to the Hardware Forum as this is the proper place for topics and discussions like this.  There are many over there who are truly computer experts and answer questions like these every day, to include topics in our Hardware Forum.  These questions are asked almost daily over in the Hardware Forum and everyone should take a look at those posts and topics too. I'll leave a link here so everyone can still monitor and respond to this topic.

 

Best regards,

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Thanks a lot everyone for your suggestions,

 

So right now I have 2 options either to wait till next year or get GTX 970 with 6700K series and Z170 board but since I will be very busy with ATPL exams next year for now I might go with 6700K,OCd GTX970 and Z170 board... Is any one currently owning the 6700k here??

 

~

I have The 6700k OC to 4.5. with Gigabyte 970, Z170MB and 32GB of ram. (plus a .M2 drive  - if your going z170 you should totally look at this.)

 

I have ​come from a 2008/9 home build with an intel Celeronz D 3.0 with 4GB ram running FS9 and am blown away by the new PC performance.

 

In stock mode I can see frames well over 150 using a stock plane, its completely blown me away in so many ways. 

 

I should note that moving away from stock settings obviously has impact for me, iv played around with the sliders a little, but I still need to sit down and learn about these new things like FXAA, MSAA and Anisotropic ​actually mean.

 

I am still too busy enjoying my new system and sim set up to worry about tweaking things at the moment.

 

Happy Flying.

 

Liam

 

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1. Per generation, Intel CPU's offer between 5-10% more performance with the same clock speeds. For FSX/P3D I guess you would be closer to 5% than 10%. This means, as a Skylake processor is the third generation after your Sandybridge CPU, you would have the same performance as you have now with an i7-2600K@4.2GHz with an i7-6700K running at 3.65GHz.

 

2. In low FPS ranges as you already are, be aware that it needs high performance gains to really recognize any benefit. If you are running P3D at 20FPS now, an performance increase of 20% (which is a lot) only means 24FPS. Regarding the point 1., running an 6700K at 4.4GHz (should be easily possible) would give you more or less those 20% increased performance. Now it is up to you if you think spending money for a new CPU, RAM, mainboard and graphicscard is worth the 4FPS you will gain...

 

3. I would NEVER buy a GTX-970. Sure, for FSX, the graphics card is not that important, but for P3D it is a little bit more essential. The GTX-970 has the problem, that actually only 3.5GB of the video RAM is full speed and 512MB is extremly slow. However, as P3D is still a 32bit software, most probably you will never run into those 512MB video ram, but still, I would not buy it.

 

Taken together, I would strongly recommend Sidh here to first replace the GTX-680 with a novel card such as the GTX-980 or even the 980Ti. Only then, when you think that your performance with the 2600K is still not sufficient enough, I would consider replacing CPU, mainboard and RAM. Otherwise, you spend so much money at once without knowing properly if you will also benefit from it.

 

 

~

I have The 6700k OC to 4.5. with Gigabyte 970, Z170MB and 32GB of ram. (plus a .M2 drive  - if your going z170 you should totally look at this.)

 

I have ​come from a 2008/9 home build with an intel Celeronz D 3.0 with 4GB ram running FS9 and am blown away by the new PC performance.

 

In stock mode I can see frames well over 150 using a stock plane, its completely blown me away in so many ways. 

 

I should note that moving away from stock settings obviously has impact for me, iv played around with the sliders a little, but I still need to sit down and learn about these new things like FXAA, MSAA and Anisotropic ​actually mean.

 

I am still too busy enjoying my new system and sim set up to worry about tweaking things at the moment.

 

Happy Flying.

 

Liam

 

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Would getting 2 GTX 970 SLI be better than getting a Single GTX 980 ? Price will still be less.

 

& Liam,

Can you tell how does it perform with all the high end addons..?? are you getting 30 FPS locked ? (WITH REX4,ASN,UT,PMDG,AIRPORT ADDONS ETC) ??

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So what I understand is if I upgrade my 2600K 4.1 to a 6700K I would only get an extra 4 FPS?

 

I am trying to justify spending 2,000 on an upgrade but not for just 4 FPS.  Can anybody else verify.

 

I am running with the NGX into  KLAX (fsdt) and FTX Global with very dense AG about 21-24 fps on approach while in the air at crusie I get 40-60 fps.  This is with a Nvidia 970.

 

 

Should I hold off on the upgrade?

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So what I understand is if I upgrade my 2600K 4.1 to a 6700K I would only get an extra 4 FPS?

 

I am trying to justify spending 2,000 on an upgrade but not for just 4 FPS.  Can anybody else verify.

 

I am running with the NGX into  KLAX (fsdt) and FTX Global with very dense AG about 21-24 fps on approach while in the air at crusie I get 40-60 fps.  This is with a Nvidia 970.

 

 

Should I hold off on the upgrade?

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don't forget to get ssd.

 

needed most for OS drive, then if you got more cash, ssd for p3d drive. else drives become your stuuter bottle neck

 

also get ram with speed not less 2800 if you thinking of OC above 4.2Ghz.

 

Been seeming many years now, and never had to deal with stutters since splitting stuff out into as many drives as possible, preferably SSD but not essential.

 

OS drive for windows only, don't add anything else there if you can. 

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Would getting 2 GTX 970 SLI be better than getting a Single GTX 980 ? Price will still be less.

 

& Liam,

Can you tell how does it perform with all the high end addons..?? are you getting 30 FPS locked ? (WITH REX4,ASN,UT,PMDG,AIRPORT ADDONS ETC) ??

 

ummm I spent all my cash on the rig... so don't yet have everything that i want. I have the aerosoft airbus, ASN GSX and Rex4.

 

I locked the other day to 30 for the first time  and its hanging around 28.8 ish as i type. but iv been fudging around with things (affinity mask i think its called) , and i have no idea what I'm doing when I'm dragging all these sliders and what not,  so do not take my word as exact, and i know its not as good as it was before i started playing.  

 

How does it perform? when I'm unlocked, it seems really happy, intact if i unlock right now its jumping around 50 to 80, and thats on approach into some random Mexican place in my A320. 

 

when i go to UK2000 London, i do see a decrease, but there are certainly no stutters. 

 

what gets me is my CPU temp... i mean I'v been on this thing for a few hours, and the reported temp while flying is 26c. the core isn't even being tested, i really need to look at this tweaking business and optimise the system to make it maximise the PC. 

 

i dont think you will see a static 30 going back to your question, i think you will see it jump around a little, Like i have just landed and locked to 33. its hanging around 31.8 and  32.4 

 

don't forget to get ssd.

 

needed most for OS drive, then if you got more cash, ssd for p3d drive. else drives become your stuuter bottle neck

 

also get ram with speed not less 2800 if you thinking of OC above 4.2Ghz.

 

Been seeming many years now, and never had to deal with stutters since splitting stuff out into as many drives as possible, preferably SSD but not essential.

 

OS drive for windows only, don't add anything else there if you can. 

 

As a question to you chief, Why would you get ram with speed not less than 2800? what is the benefit of that speed? i did a lot of research in my rig, and ill be honest and say its the first i have heard of it, i would be interested in your reasonings in case I'm killing my system, i have used bios to  auto OC my 4.0 processor to 4.5 and my RAM from 2100 (default speed) to 2400 (even tho they are 2400 sticks) with zero problems, (for now). 

 

Liam

 

as for the SSD, i would skip the SSD for the OS and Get a board that accepts .M2 it really is the way forward!! 

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So what I understand is if I upgrade my 2600K 4.1 to a 6700K I would only get an extra 4 FPS?

 

I am trying to justify spending 2,000 on an upgrade but not for just 4 FPS.  Can anybody else verify.

 

I am running with the NGX into  KLAX (fsdt) and FTX Global with very dense AG about 21-24 fps on approach while in the air at crusie I get 40-60 fps.  This is with a Nvidia 970.

 

 

Should I hold off on the upgrade?

until i get the Trip 7 Next month, i won't be able to comment. but by which time i hope to have at least worked out the optimisation. 

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Hello everyone,

I have spent countless money on FSX in hope of getting it smooth but could not.

Since new P3D V3 looks promising I have decided to upgrade my current PC which is.:

 

I7 2600K @ 4.2 Ghz

GTX 680

8GB DDR-III

But with this PC that I currently have ,P3D fails to perform with High end addons like - PMDG,ASN,REX4.I get about 20 FPS and addons airports it's as less as 12-15 )

 

So after watching youtube videos on new RIGs where P3D V3 performs much better

 

My new Upgrad shall  be

 

I7 4970K

GTX980 (4GB)

16GB RAM

 

However I still  doubt if I upgrade , It(FPS) will not be siginificantly improved. I remember few months back when People used to say get i7 2600k series and its smooth as anything but No.

Will the above requirements promise me to give @least 25-30 FPS LOCKED  with All high end addons & settings to High?I cannot composite visuals .

Is having a Smooth NON LAGGY sim a myth?

Low FPS -  Simulation experience ruined for me .

 

Please help me out

Thanks in Advance ... (People with same RIGs as above can guide me better or any one expert in it)

 

Best regards

 

 

I really believe you have already upgraded your gear since November last year, but if not, my recommendation is don't upgrade anything but GPU and maybe DDR3.  Take GTX 980 or 980Ti and DDR3 2133MHz CL9 2x8 Gb.  That will be enough for P3Dv#.  And don't forget to OC your 2600K to 4.8GHz or more.  Believe me you will not regret this, but you will regret complete system upgrade.

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