If Flight School does not teach point to point navigation using VOR/DME/NDB etc, then I am not interested.

 

Well, I'm probably not interested myself, if it doesn't support TrackIR. But I don't think either one of us are the audience DTG is trying to reach with this first product. It's the second sim we should be interested in.

There are NO MODS allowed!! Thats the problem! Its a Closed game! Check previous posts. There is no future potential!

 

Dovetail will have to learn the hard way from this rediculous, close minded decision!

 

Microsoft didn't make that mistake.....much like their windows platfrom, they very wisely encouraged 3rd party development and they created a Hot product!

Prepar3d allows 3rd party addons

Xplane allows 3rd party addons

DCSworld allows 3rd party addons

All highly desirable products

To your points, one this product is targeted at newbee gamers that may be interested in trying a  to get into flight simming, but the complexity of a full featured  sim like FSX/P3D intimidates them from trying it.

 

MS most certainly made a much bigger mistake with Microsoft Flight. This had the same goal, but they really thought they could nickel and dime us by reducing the world to Hawaii and a couple of planes with no AI or ATC. then selling us addons, Problem was they tried to develop the addons themselves and couldn't keep up, ending up with Alaska the only scenery expansion, and a few more aircraft models, most without cockpits. This is the big difference in where DTG will succeed where MS failed. Flight School while being a closed sim, is meant to entice new simmers, as a jumping point t get into Flight simming as a whole and move onto the more feature rich DFS available later this year, which may appear to a new simmer to be just as intimidating to a newbee that FSX, XP, or P3D is to them today. It intself will have most of the default capabilities FSX already has,like whole world coverage, ATC and AI, but present it in a simpler form. The hope is that as they become more familiar with flying they will want to jump over to DFS to expand their experiences If DFS is released on schedule or close to it, They just might succeed and in the process, give them a cash flow, that will go to completing DFS. I think the price point they set is right on point on what the market will support for something like this. Remember DTG will succeed  or fail, on volume, so it is imperative they expand the user base to what flight sims attract today. Time will tell if it works, but I think this is the best approach they could take.  

It would be interesting to know what percentage of people who have bought Flight School so far, and who will buy it over the next year already own FSX SE.

 

I had a theory that Flight School also gives developers a bit of breathing room to experiment and move their add-ons over to the new environment.

 

I even wondered if there will be a secret SDK that add-on developers will get that works with Flight School.

Probably not but just a thought  :smile:

Well, I'm probably not interested myself, if it doesn't support TrackIR. But I don't think either one of us are the audience DTG is trying to reach with this first product. It's the second sim we should be interested in.

 

Pretty much any game in the last 5 years with a 3d environment and mouse support has trackir. I doubt this will be an exception to that rule. 

The only thing that made me doubt it was that the cockpit in the video from Insomnia almost seemed to be a 2D cockpit.

I love TrackIR and it completely changed FSX for me.

Do we know what license Dovetail have with FSX (and Flight?).

Do they have an "entertainment only" license?

(Flight School makes it sound slightly education so maybe its wider than that)

 

Is it theirs now or could Microsoft withdraw the license if they felt like it?

Does the license prevent Dovetail from stepping on LM's toes or is it all fair game now?

 

Just wondered.

The only thing that made me doubt it was that the cockpit in the video from Insomnia almost seemed to be a 2D cockpit.

I love TrackIR and it completely changed FSX for me.

Do we know what license Dovetail have with FSX (and Flight?).

Do they have an "entertainment only" license?

(Flight School makes it sound slightly education so maybe its wider than that)

 

Is it theirs now or could Microsoft withdraw the license if they felt like it?

Does the license prevent Dovetail from stepping on LM's toes or is it all fair game now?

 

Just wondered.

 

I think you are reading far to into it. It is marketed as an entertainment simulator with tutorials and instruction on how to use the simulator. Innately, it is a flight sim, so that instruction is focused on aviation. It isnt being marketed to real flight schools, commercial customers, nor is it approved by the FAA for use in flight training facilities that have the hardware to support it. So it isnt in any direct or indirect competition to LM's intended clients. The only people it competes for are entertainment customers, which is what most on here use P3D for. 

 

Im pretty sure that a company as large and experienced as DTG has lawyers and partner teams that have the agreement with Microsoft air tight. They also have a very close relationship with Microsoft for many of their titles so the chances of MS reneging on any agreement is slim to none. 

Tempted just to try it out...

 

Do we know

 

a, if Simconnect/plug-ins such as FSUIPC will be supported?

 

b, Whose Cherokee is included?

 

Two Pipers and no Cessna's sounds like a licensing deal...

 

I've got the A2A Cherokee, so sort of wish a different plane was included...but heigh-ho, never mind

 

Yes we know the answer. It was asked and answered forty or fifty posts ago. No, they will be including all the 'hooks' that FSUIPC provided so it will not be required.

 

There is also a Diamond DA42 that will be released to folks who don't pre-order about 60 days after initial release. Those who've pre-ordered will get it immediately.

TheFlightSimGuy, I believe that its a false split between entertainment and education anyway, was purely to allow LM to buy a license.

I bought P3D.  Anyone else here buy it?  

Did you use it in a far more sensible and intellectual way than you used to use FSX?

I know mine wasn't.

Look at the knots that PMDG ended up in with their entertainment-only license with Boeing compared to P3D's not-for-entertainment license.

 

I've no idea how many people use Prepar3d in the same way as I did (what proportion of their customers), buying either the Academic or Professional license as a way to get prettier graphics and a few bug fixes.

There's room in the world for DFS and P3D, but I just wonder how many people are going to buy the Academic or Professional license for Prepar3d if they can get a similar experience with DFS.

 

All speculation now of course.

 

​Well, I'm probably not interested myself, if it doesn't support TrackIR. But I don't think either one of us are the audience DTG is trying to reach with this first product. It's the second sim we should be interested in

 

Actually I am part of the audience that DTG is trying to grab. That's because I have never taken the time to learn how to fly or navigate properly in a flight simulator. I have had far too much fun simply setting the trim for take off/cruise/landing (yes, that's right......never touching the trim controls again), full flaps, and flying from one airfield to another in a straight line. "Low and slow" has never been a more apt term than when it refers to my own style of flying!

 

That being the case, a decent training simulator that can teach me the basics of flying properly in easy to understand baby steps is something that interests me. However, this needs to include tutorials on basic navigational skills that include VOR/DME, NDB etc. If I decide to purchase DTG Flight School, then I want to know that I will be able to learn those basic skills that I can then transfer across to P3D (or whatever other flight simulator I may use in the future).

Lets face it for £15 it is well worth taking a punt! I might actually learn the correct way to fly and what all those nice knobs and switches in the cockpit actually do,brilliant!

Peter

new pic https://www.facebook.com/dtgflightschool/posts/611983622311821

I approve these new screenshots. Anyone who still says that there is nothing new in DFS (except for 64 bit and DX11) are kidding themselves.

Okay, I am just waiting on some more info from our gameplay designer first before answering. Stick with me please. 

 

- Martin 

 

Just a kind reminder. I'm curious!

 

And you guys had to post this in the Q&A thread instead of the new discussion thread? 

I've no idea how many people use Prepar3d in the same way as I did (what proportion of their customers), buying either the Academic or Professional license as a way to get prettier graphics and a few bug fixes.

There's room in the world for DFS and P3D, but I just wonder how many people are going to buy the Academic or Professional license for Prepar3d if they can get a similar experience with DFS.

 

All speculation now of course.

 

Well, first, there needs to actually be a similar experience. As of now, it's not, and they are being pretty non-committal on even some basic fixes P3D has had for years.

I bought it.

 

I'm a programmer by trade with 30 odd years coding under my belt, yet, I still read books 'C for Airheads' etc, there's always something I'll have overlooked, a different way of approaching things.

I agree with that chap from PMDG (thanks for posting flightsimguy), there's always new things to learn.

 

Would have been nice to get clarification on a couple of questions I'd asked in the other thread but I'm guessing those areas are still being nailed down.

 

At the end of the day, just looking at the new screen shots shows a commitment from Dovetail as to where they're going, I like what they're doing, I like it a lot.