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FSLabs A320 for P3D - so is it worth it?

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In my humble opinion....

 

YES!

 

I have not felt this happy about flightsim in years. Yes, its expensive and I know plenty are having VAS issues etc..., but so far I have not encountered one problen. It feels great to have something new to learn. I have gotten a little tired of Boeings as they all become rather familiar to one another. I like to fly real flights, and not having an A320 really limited some of my flight options (especially around Europe!)

 

My hangar has now slimmed down to some A2A GA's, PMDG 777 and MJC Q400. The FSL A320 has taken pride and place of my shorthaul fleet and I am excited about learning all the details it has to offer.

 

The immersion is fantastic!

 

Now if i could just master the flare...

 

LOVE IT!

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Having flown the NG for years and really did not like the AS 320 version, I agree with you it's great to have this Bus.

BAW for IAE engines and EZY for CFM feel like two different aircraft.

 

Very happy with the FSL A320 its sets a new level even higher than PMDG.

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The A320 by FSLabs is the best rendition of the Airbus out there, some would argue it's the most comprehensive add on ever made, and I'd agree with them. I would not hesitate in purchasing it and I didn't. You will get many happy hours flying it.

 

On a side note...

 

I have seen some commentary in 'news' items on YouTube by content creators calling the price 'jaw dropping' which is irresponsible. So just to qualify that statement let's do some comparisons, and please don't misinterpret me, I regard all PMDG products as best in class for their aircraft, no doubt about it... but I want to say this because it has annoyed me and it needs mentioning. As a company I would also be careful of bias, even positive bias like this, as it has the capacity to alienate and be counter productive.

 

So.....

 

If you want a PMDG license for the NGX base package in FSX and P3D it will cost $160 (and let's not forget this was 5 years ago). Can someone therefore explain to me why when I got the bus for FSX and P3D, for the price tag of $140 it's now described quite seriously as a "jaw dropping" price? And let's not forget, for that I also get an MCDU I can use on my iPad via web app. I mean... Seriously?!

 

I'm not saying the NGX isn't great, and the 777 for that matter.. I love both and happily paid the money for them, PMDG do a great job. And I don't doubt for a second the 747 will be great, but in this video conveniently pricing was glossed over, strangely... But we know from PMDG pricing for the 747 will be 'inline with the 777', and this for FSX and P3D base package licenses its $225, obviously not jaw dropping enough. Even if, you bought the bus full price FSX and P3D it is $240, that's comparing a highly detailed study level add on released 2016/2017 with a price from 2013... how is one called out and the other glossed over?

 

My message to this content creator is simple, many people watch your content and you have a responsibility to be even handed. If you want to call the A320 price jaw dropping, I expect an even hand and the NGX, 777 and 747 (assuming it inline with the 777) pricing to be described in the same manner, if you are not prepared to do that, out of loyalty, or for whatever reason, then please do not comment at all on price. It's misleading, deliberate or not. What has been said is inflammatory, and completely unjustified, and has certainly made me question whether or not I will be watching more of their content.

 

Anyway, if you can afford it, get the bus... It's great.. :)

 

Cheers

 

Craig

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This airbus is totally awesome I highly recommend it. It's as realistic as it gets I just bought Mike Rays A320 Airbus book to help me get used to it even more.

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I'm not saying the NGX isn't great, and the 777 for that matter.. I love both and happily paid the money for them, PMDG do a great job. And I don't doubt for a second the 747 will be great, but pricing was glossed over, strangely... But we know it will be 'inline with the 777', and this for FSX and P3D base package licenses its $225, obviously not jaw dropping enough.

My message would be simple, if you want to call the A320 price jaw dropping, I expect an even hand and the NGX, 777 and 747 (assuming it inline with the 777) pricing to be described in the same manner, if you are not prepared to do that, out of loyalty, or for whatever reason, then please do not comment at all on price. It's misleading, deliberate or not. What has been said is inflammatory, and completely unjustified, and has certainly made me question whether or not I will be watching more of their content.

I don't think the price of PMDG stuff has been "glossed over".  If you look elsewhere on this site, you'll see many complaints of PMDG stuff being too high too.  And, you will definitely see a bunch of complaints in regards to being charged twice for FSX version and then P3D version.  So, they've complained there too.

 

The real problem with the price talks is that everyone wants these unbelievably awesome simulations of aircraft, but they want them at Carenado prices.  Anyone who's been around here for a while all knows the difference between Carenado and PMDG/FSLabs.  They aren't even in the same solar system when it comes to comparisons.  People are paying ~$50 for something developed in 2 months that can't even do basic systems correctly without the community coming to the rescue.  So why is $140 so crazy for something that took 6+ years!?!?!  The developers deserve to try to get paid too.  So, the market is what the market is.  Just because someone can't afford it, doesn't mean it isn't worth it nor does it mean the price should be lowered nor does it necessarily mean that it's priced too high.  The market will determine that on its own.  But, people not only just when dealing with flight sim products but in overall life in general, just think they are entitled to anything they want.

 

I've made the analogy before but people wanted to focus on the tremendous difference in price(which is irrelevant) vs the point trying to be made...and that is that just because I want a BMW but I can't afford one myself, doesn't mean that BMW is doing anything wrong with the price of their cars.  It doesn't mean they should drop down to the price point of Ford just because I can't afford it.  It means that they make that much higher quality product vs a Ford.  But, this is the point of view that these people that are complaining about prices have.  They can't afford it so it's just a ridiculous price and FSLabs is ripping us off.  Or, the price of add-ons is getting out of control.  Again, crazy arguments if you ask me.  But, in the world we live in, there are many people that feel it's valid.

 

This is the top of the line aircraft that you can buy for flight sim, at least right now(IMO of course).  So, it goes without saying that it should be the most expensive too.

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Kevin,

 

I was talking about this particular video, not the forum.. But I share your sentiment..

 

Anyway the bus is brilliant :)

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Anyway the bus is brilliant :)

Couldn't agree more!!!!

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The real problem with the price talks is that everyone wants these unbelievably awesome simulations of aircraft, but they want them at Carenado prices.

 

Never a truer word spoken. :good:

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I would answer this question by having any simmer thinking of buying answer the question "what do I like to fly in the sim".  Don't just ask casually but seriously think about how you fly.  I know for example that I fly 80% heavies (of which 80% is modern, 20% steam gauges) and 25% light GA (A2A 172, Comanche).  Anything else over the years that I have purchased has ended up in the hanger never to be flown again.  So when the A2A Connie came out I really wanted it, knew it would be amazing but also knew that I would be wasting $60.  If you really do like serious, study level sims, you like to fly by the numbers and follow all of the checklists, charts, procedures, etc. then yes you will love the FSL Airbus.  If you are more of a casual simmer that does not delve into all of the details and just loads a quick FP and flies then I think this is a waste for you and the Aerosoft will do the job....perhaps even better.  

 

It took me years to figure out that I only like certain things in Flight Sim and that buying one very expensive addon that I love and will fly for many hours and many years is greater value for me personally than buying every release for $20, $30 or $40 only to never fly it (or use it in the case of scenery).  This is a very difficult thing for many of us to come to grips with because we always feel like we are missing out on something.  

 

Just my 2 cents.

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Yes, yes, and YES!

I´ve waited years (actually felt like decades) for a bus like that!

It´s my favorite tubeliner on any sim platform for sure!

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I was waiting years for someone to pull off a realistic A320 for FS, right from the moment FSL announced it (and even before that), so whether you buy it for FS or P3D, personally I think six years of work to pull off what lots of people in the know thought was damn near impossible deserves a decent paycheck.

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I was waiting years for someone to pull off a realistic A320 for FS, right from the moment FSL announced it (and even before that), so whether you buy it for FS or P3D, personally I think six years of work to pull off what lots of people in the know thought was damn near impossible deserves a decent paycheck.

Couldn't agree more

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I was waiting years for someone to pull off a realistic A320 for FS, right from the moment FSL announced it (and even before that), so whether you buy it for FS or P3D, personally I think six years of work to pull off what lots of people in the know thought was damn near impossible deserves a decent paycheck.

I agree 100 percent

 

FSL pushed the bar really high with this release.

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Mark, I like very much and agree with this point of view wholeheartedly. I love the immersion of the heavies and do not really want to fly the simple stuff. For me, (and FS2004) the Eaglesoft Citation X II is the simplest and least complex aircraft I want to fly. I love the Ifly737, the detail and complexity of it. For me, the reason I am holding out on P3D, PMDG737, 777 and the FSLabs A320 is:

  1. P3D going 64bit,
  2. the aircraft listed above going 64bit compatible, and
  3. an upgrade to suitable hardware.

Other than airports, I am not looking for scenery other than global textures but I will be looking at Airport services etc. Also, whilst I appreciate that a lot of simmers like to roam about the cabin etc, this holds no interest for me. I like to walk around the aircraft (preflight) and thereafter the office is where I want to be.

 

So for me, I will not be buying for FSX, or Steam which will reduce my costs somewhat. However, I believe that the final price is expensive only if you do not fly it very often. The more you use the cheaper (in the long term) it becomes. Another point is that if you do not use it often, why buy it in the first place. Please bear in mind that this is from my pensioners perspective. I really have to plan to make any substantive purchase, but for me, the hours and hours I get out of my aircraft work out to pennies per hour. One can not say that for beer consumption LOL. In simple terms, the initial outlay is outlandish but OH WHAT FUN, and in relative terms OH SO CHEAP. Regards to you all.... cannot wait for 64bit

Tony Chilcott

OOPS, I don't know what I did wrongly there but I hope it makes sense to you all. Regards again Tony

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Yeah its a work of art and worthy of every penny! i am more then happy supporting FSL and think the price is more then fair!

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I think MarkW makes a strong and well sounded argument that falls in line with my personal observations- and I've been flying computers since subLogic's Flight Simulator II on the Commodore 64.

 

I also rather have a few really high quality simulations than a hanger full of $50 aircraft.  You get spoiled once you've had the best - but...unfortunately study-sim aircraft take a lot of time to master, and we're at the point where the pickings are good!

 

It's best to make thoughtful purchases that will bring long term joy.

 

I'd love to check out the airbus but 1 year later on, I still have more to learn about the PDMG 737 and enjoy every flight in it.

 

Mark Trainer

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Yes at one hundred percent ! :smile:

 

Regards,

 

Richard Portier

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Have to agree, with what has been posted. Worth every dollar. Some who complained about the price, must nearly hit the roof getting a quote for a car part.

 

I got a price for 6 spark plugs for my Ford, $238 NZD each, from the Ford dealer. Puts things into perspective does it not :)

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PMDG have always played straight....they provide a very good aircraft, provide excellent and quick support,  they have constantly upgraded their aircraft over time providing new features with no charge.  They have said, and I believe them they will try to continue this through 32 bit conversion for P3D.  They do take a long time in testing and developement but I think the main team are full time employees.  I think it is about 2 or 3 years for them to develop using these.

Other companies, no names mentioned use part time developers and take 6 years for a two year project.  They also have not got a proven record of support extending for about 10 years.  

 

PMDG can talk down to its customers, their customer relations are terrible but their aircraft and support first class.  This is wwhat makes the price acceptible.

Can FS-Labs offer the same.  I see that all people mentioned on the FS labs about page have demanding Full time proffessions.  You cannot charge High prices for a  part time product.

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PMDG have always played straight....they provide a very good aircraft, provide excellent and quick support,  they have constantly upgraded their aircraft over time providing new features with no charge.  They have said, and I believe them they will try to continue this through 32 bit conversion for P3D.  They do take a long time in testing and developement but I think the main team are full time employees.  I think it is about 2 or 3 years for them to develop using these.

Other companies, no names mentioned use part time developers and take 6 years for a two year project.  They also have not got a proven record of support extending for about 10 years.  

 

PMDG can talk down to its customers, their customer relations are terrible but their aircraft and support first class.  This is wwhat makes the price acceptible.

Can FS-Labs offer the same.  I see that all people mentioned on the FS labs about page have demanding Full time proffessions.  You cannot charge High prices for a  part time product.

From my experience, FSL provide very good service. They have quick response for the cutomers' questions. They stick with the customers until the problem was solved.

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THere is once huge issue I have with FSL A320. It is the fact that you get only ONE airplane variant. NGX is not one airplane variant, PMDG 777 is not one variant. But here FSL charges premium for just 1 jet. I would have bought it in no time if it have A318, A319, A320, A321 and (would be a nice bonus) ACJ319 and ACJ320. But just for one jet, I am will not drop that much money down.

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PMDG have always played straight....they provide a very good aircraft, provide excellent and quick support,  they have constantly upgraded their aircraft over time providing new features with no charge.  They have said, and I believe them they will try to continue this through 32 bit conversion for P3D.  They do take a long time in testing and developement but I think the main team are full time employees.  I think it is about 2 or 3 years for them to develop using these.

Other companies, no names mentioned use part time developers and take 6 years for a two year project.  They also have not got a proven record of support extending for about 10 years.  

 

PMDG can talk down to its customers, their customer relations are terrible but their aircraft and support first class.  This is wwhat makes the price acceptible.

Can FS-Labs offer the same.  I see that all people mentioned on the FS labs about page have demanding Full time proffessions.  You cannot charge High prices for a  part time product.

PMDG will not ban you so you cannot download liveries and other files from their site. FSL will. PMDG provide support through their support portal faster than FSL feel like emailing you back.

 

The FSL Airbus is well made, but had dozens of bugs on release for FSX, and they were hostile to people providing bug reports and suggestions. The performance was awful in FSX and still unflyable if you want any decent graphics settings. Their email support was slow and hostile too.FSL Airbus in P3D is more polished but in my opinion the Airbus airplane is so automatic with everything it is not fun after a while to fly. The most work I do in the cockpit is entering the approach page in the FMGS. I could be biased liking Boeing aircraft more, but I get years of enjoyment from the PMDG 737 series, while FSL for 140 dollars is a single A320 model. I'll save up for the PMDG 747 that has too many models to list.

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Wow, why always this comparison to the developer with the 4 big letters?

Ok, they've set standards, no doubt about that! I love their work, no doubt about that!

But nobody was able to deliver a high (or even highest, in this case) Airbus simulation, until FSL came org their A320X. So many tried, some were quite ok, some worse, but no release came even close to what the A320X delivers.

This is truly a work of art, a new standard, and I have to repeat myself, defenitely worth every cent!

They offer 2 engine variants, and top support! This is a highest class addon all around!

 

Everyone who hasn't done so already, should check out this video. This gentleman's videos are highly informative, he knows of what he speaks, and in it, you can see some of the breathtakingly deeply modelled details and systems of this aircraft addon:

 

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Another reason is that FS labs limit you to one year of downloads...this is enough for me not to buy.

 

The price though is not as quioted in the video....it is $140 plus tax

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