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What is the best EGLL for P3D v3

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I'm looking to buy EGLL scenery, I have ORBX England, so what scenery do you guys use and why you recommend it?

 

Thanks in advance

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I agonized over this question for over a year. I searched through all the numerous old threads, reading the arguments for one scenery or another. I read the occasional new thread, feeling bad for the OP, as people berated them for not looking up all the "thousands" of other threads, and that they should learn to google. With all those "thousands" of threads, I still hadn't found enough info for me to be sure.

 

Interestingly enough, it ended up being discussions about the recently released Manchester (that lead to discussions about EGLL), that finally helped me decide. After a year of research (off and on), I finally went with UK2000. Here's why.....

 

The Aerosoft EGLL (I like Aerosoft prodcts, btw. Very happy with numerous Aerosoft products) is probably prettier and shinier. But that's probably the only area it comes out ahead.

 

Overall performance, VAS, FPS, least amount of problems, etc.......the UK2000 EGLL just comes out on top in these areas. Although maybe not as pretty (barely), as a user of ORBX myself, I needed scenery that played nice and was usable.

 

It also has current support, with a dev that listens to customers, and addresses issues. The UK2000 version has been updated to reflect many current changes in the real EGLL, that the AS scenery has not.

 

My personal experience with the UK2000 EGLL has reflected what my year long of research finally lead me to conclude. I can drop my PMDG 777 there, with AI traffic, and the results are satisfactory. Performance, VAS, FPS, everything works.

 

And although it may not be as shiny or pretty as the AS version, the feel of the airport is great, and the scenery is more than enough to make me happy, along with being usable without problems.

 

EGLL was my first UK2000 scenery, and after having used it for a short time, Besides getting ORBX scenery for the UK, I will certainly be getting UK2000 scenery, if they have an airport I want.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Captain Z

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I can agree with Captain Z. UK2000 seems to perform better for me however Aerosoft's Mega Airport Heathrow has better textures and is more aesthetically pleasing in my opinion. It depends what you look for in your simulation. Bare in mind that London is often the most hard-hitting city on performance. As I said, there is no one better product overall, it just depends on your system and what you are looking for in a scenery. 

 

Freddie

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I use the aerosoft version and it works quite well for me. I seem to recall when I was researching which version to buy many said this was a (rare) occasion where uk2000 didn't have the best performance.

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I own both the UK2000 and the Aerosoft version, I currently use the UK2000 version as it performs better and I am less likely to get an OOM on approach with the UK2000 version, the Aerosoft version does look slightly better though.

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I own both the UK2000 and the Aerosoft version, I currently use the UK2000 version as it performs better and I am less likely to get an OOM on approach with the UK2000 version, the Aerosoft version does look slightly better though.

It's funny. I own both and I get much better performance with the AS version. My UK 2000 version I get about 15FPS. 23-25 with AS. I'm wondering if it's a bad install.

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Personally I think the Aerosoft version looks miles better than the UK2000 version. But it does give me performance issues (my PC isn't great though). The UK2000 version performs much better for me. If you have a good enough PC I'd try the Aerosoft version.

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find  the  uk2000 is  better  just like  the rest of  his  airports,  and  has  better  support  as well

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don't have the other one but aerosoft one performs not much different than the stock airport, traffic brings it down to slideshow though with complex aircraft but so it does on the stock one.

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I have both and currently I'm using the UK2000 version of EGLL mainly because I really like the UK2000 products in general but also like other people already mentioned because the support and interest you get from the developer is really top notch!

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It's funny. I own both and I get much better performance with the AS version. My UK 2000 version I get about 15FPS. 23-25 with AS. I'm wondering if it's a bad install.

 

No, I get the same sort of different performance on my main Flight Sim PC with FSX-SE and lots of traffic. On my other slower (development) PC UK2000 is slightly faster, but there's not much in it. I don't know why it's the other way around on the main PC.

 

Pete

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Whilst the Aerosoft version is more extensive (with surrounding Xtended scenery), it is worth noting that the lighting in the P3D version is inferior to the UK2000 Xtreme product. To be honest, I have a difficult time understanding why some developers seem to be unable to create custom runway lighting in P3D. In fact, the P3D version of Aerosoft Heathrow Xtended did not have any runway lighting at all until I activated the default lighting in Airport Design Editor.

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For an airport of that size, with this quality, surrounded by a city like London, which has very dense scenery (Open LC, Vector), I am more than happy with 22-26 fps in the VC of the PMDG 747 or 737 I get, when I taxi around on Aerosoft's EGLL.

The airport looks very good, and free VAS is at around 1200 meg.

That being said, I also love the UK2000 sceneries like EGLC and EGCC in P3D!

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Whilst the Aerosoft version is more extensive (with surrounding Xtended scenery), it is worth noting that the lighting in the P3D version is inferior to the UK2000 Xtreme product. To be honest, I have a difficult time understanding why some developers seem to be unable to create custom runway lighting in P3D. In fact, the P3D version of Aerosoft Heathrow Xtended did not have any runway lighting at all until I activated the default lighting in Airport Design Editor.

As far as I know, Aerosoft EGLL is only supported as far as P3D v2. A lot of older Aerosoft airports have issues with lighting on v3.

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Aerosoft Dublin is even worse, since the entire taxiway centreline and edge lighting network is also default only. I have removed these, as default taxiway lighting is crap.

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Aerosoft Dublin is even worse, since the entire taxiway centreline and edge lighting network is also default only. I have removed these, as default taxiway lighting is crap.

Yep, AS Dublin doesn't play nicely with v3 at all, although again, it was never actually developed for v3. 

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UK2000...for one very good scenery (like all of their production). No issues with it. And it is one man show essentially (from what I understand majority of the scenery is created by Gary Summon). They have been active in the FS community for some time (I still remember them from FS2000 days).

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I try hard to use anything but Aerosoft but often there is no choice.  Give me UK2000 over Aerosoft EGLL anyday...,, not as much eyecandy but I don't have the VAS budget for 2 GB of scenery for one airport. That's very sloppy development.

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If that is referring to the file size of the egll terrain scenery then it is a bit misleading in relation to vas usage which was clarified by the dev on the AS forums.

 

 

If all custom runway lights looked like flytampa ones it would be great, but stock ones look and work better than most others. The main use of custom lights was probably to workaround inability of msfs to display stock lights over custom ground polygons, which was changed in a later version of p3d.

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On my system the Aerosoft one has more fps (around 25 with AI set to 50 percent and using the NGX with ASCA and AS16 activated. 

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I am baffled by reports of higher framerates when using the Aerosoft version. That is not the case on my PC.

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I am baffled by reports of higher framerates when using the Aerosoft version. That is not the case on my PC.

Christopher,

                    I don't understand it either, but when sitting at the end of 27R in the PMDG 747, I get around 15 FPS with UK2000 and 28 FPS with Aerosoft.

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Can you let me know your PC system specification, Mike? I am wondering if it has anything to do with GPU power? I run P3D @ 1920x1080 resolution with a 2GB Nvidia GeForce GTX 770.

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I am running a 6600K @ 4.6 with a GTX970 GPU. Medium settings. I just tried an experiment. Sitting at the end of 27R in the PMDG 777 I get 40+ FPS with no AI traffic with the Aerosoft scenery. Same scenario with UK2000 and it's pretty comparable. At 20% AI in the sim and the stock FSUIPC traffic settings, the AS EGLL is around the mid 30's FPS. UK2000 drops to mid teens. I found that any addition of AI traffic in UK 2000 severely reduces performance at EGLL. I have a number of other UK2000 airports and haven't noticed this behavior. I'm running MT6. 

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