P3D LM have no competition they can do want they want when they want they are not in the same market as XP11.FSW.FSE. 

 

Ray Fry.

I hope things can evolve in the right direction before it gets fully released in many months. I've made a lengthy detailed post on their Steam forum following the twitch stream where the question was kinda avoided. Do not rush over there to spam with the same question which I don't think would be usefull. I've had a message from the CM that was doing the live Q&A yesterday saying that he appricated the post (as I quite heavily detailed how it worked before and how it was important for them to be as opened as the previous FSX simulators, and the other competitors XP/P3D).

I don't know if it will change anything, it'll be their decision in the end, but I really hope it can change things, and maybe restore communication with between them and PMDG, and maybe other developers that where not talked to anymore. Would be nice if it can evolve in the right direction :)

On 2017-5-7 at 11:03 PM, rsrandazzo said:

A perfect scenario for PMDG, as I have been stating for a few years now, is one in which we can sell you a 747 to fly on the platform of YOUR choice, not ours.  That means X-Plane, Prepar3D or whatever becomes of the former MSFS franchise in Dovetail's hands.

So somewhere in the future there will be a B747 for XPL. ;)

20 hours ago, Smasher77th said:

I beg to disagree. PMDG, by wanting to market their products themselves, do not in any way claim higher importance than DTG, but DTG, in my opinion is claiming higher importance. There's nothing about percentages. It should be zero and 100%, period. They will already make more profit when more customers buy their sim because of PMDG and other premium developers. This is nothing short of greed.  If anyone should pay, they should be the ones to actually pay the 3rd party developers for increasing their profit margin, but the 3rd party developers are not charging anything, so they should be happy. If they go down that route then I (and I a host of others, I believe) will boycott their game. 

It's also about control.  DTG want exclusive rights to control all aspects of the code on their game.  I don't have a problem with that in general; however, flight sim has always been supported by third party add ons, both free and pay.  DTG thought they could undercut existing developers with their "join us or go away" attitude.  They're using the community, in my opinion, to further an agenda (closed DLC).  

Maybe that works for certain developers, but it appears that the contributions will eventually lead to failure.  It all depends on contracts at this point.  At the end of the day, what drives me to a platform is the content.  FSX and P3D may be old, but with decent scenery it looks fine.  XP is not of any interest to me yet.  They have dropped the ball with ATC, weather and other things.  XP has been around a very long time, you'd think LR would get with the program by now.  I get the feeling DTG is gonna be just as stubborn, only worse due to the closed system model.  

Developers are starting to show their displeasure with FSW, as highlighted in the DTG Jordan King thread.  Bound to NDA but clearly not happy.  They are using people to get their product out.  Typical businessmen.  The community and third party developers make this hobby, I will support them, not divisive change agents who seek to ruin collaboration and openness. 

(I'm surprised people like Jordan King are showing so much support for this closed model. I get the positive hopefulness about new sims but it's a novelty at this point)

In my opinion, and in my opinion only, this whole deal with the new Sim smells of shady under the table deals. 

In 2016 one 3rd party company who I had a lot of respect for, and I am not going to mention any names, started working on things for X-P to which people were over the moon that X-P was getting some much deserved attention from one of the leading 3rd party developers , Then all of a sudden in 2017 they announce they would not continue X-P development work on it any more as they have a few projects underway internally. Now all of a sudden you find them in bed with the new Sim . To me it sounds like they accepted a quick hand shandy under the table with a envelope full of cash just to stop work on a direct competitors sim.  

If the idea of a company is to make money why not diversify your platforms and cover the market, geez two of your platforms are nearly identical.

Sure X-P has not got a large following, not as much as FSX and P3d.  I think if they had of continued on it, the X-P market would of picked up with just the mention of their name and what they do. By adding their support it might encourage others to end up doing the same. 

The main reason that some developers stay away from XP is the XP community has created a litany of excellent freeware scenery.

Knock off the vitriol - specifically the personal attacks. Not even gonna ask nicely. You all know better.

i stand with pmdg

On 5/13/2017 at 10:57 AM, jabloomf1230 said:

The main reason that some developers stay away from XP is the XP community has created a litany of excellent freeware scenery.

True ! Why buy a ORBX style airport when there are plenty of good freeware, or the tools to make one ! It's a flight simulator not a airport simulator ! Airport addons are nice but it's a complete waste of money for a few minutes taxiing, landing and taking off. But there is no freeware PMDG :(

 

 

Bwaaa, no freeware PMDG..

Anyhow, believe it or not, there are actually some people that do not have, or want PMDG, as their interest lies elsewhere.

Certainly does not make them lessor simmers!

4 hours ago, strider1 said:

True ! Why buy a ORBX style airport when there are plenty of good freeware, or the tools to make one ! It's a flight simulator not a airport simulator ! Airport addons are nice but it's a complete waste of money for a few minutes taxiing, landing and taking off

This is something I noticed I did a lot in FSX when I used virtual airlines. I'd purchase an airport just to have some departure/arrival scenery, and only spend about 15 minutes there and then never use the airport again and forget I even had it. It's the same with most of my ORBX airports, I use them once or twice, but then forget about them. However I really hate obviously fake airports, especially if I am somewhat familiar with the airport I'm visiting. 

1 hour ago, Wobbie said:

Bwaaa, no freeware PMDG..

Anyhow, believe it or not, there are actually some people that do not have, or want PMDG, as their interest lies elsewhere.

Certainly does not make them lessor simmers!

Yep, it's amazing just how many people can't grasp this concept and will put down others. If this were true, companies like ORBX would have a hard time selling anything since many of their airports are too small for a 737

7 hours ago, strider1 said:

Airport addons are nice but it's a complete waste of money for a few minutes taxiing, landing and taking off.

I suppose that also depends on why one buys the airport in the first place. I do flying videos and occasional screenshots, so I'd certainly like to have realistic looking airports. Granted most of the international airports I haven't had much of a chance to fly to, given I hardly have time to fly these days, but most of the US airports I have, I've flown to and from multiple times.

It also depends on where you like to fly, the style either VFR IFR and the level of realism. I personally like to envisage what an actual pilot would see.

But If you are in the Northern Hemisphere mainly US or Europe there are a lot of good default {I do not Know how accurate they are} and are spoiled by the choice of freeware and payware ones.

However I like to fly in Australia and New Zealand only. But I am glad they got the shtty end of the stick in regards to scenery. Companies like Ozx, AUscene, FlyTampa and Orbx have made it really enjoyable to fly down under because the default looks like a cats xxxxx in a litter tray. 

 

12 hours ago, strider1 said:

True ! Why buy a ORBX style airport when there are plenty of good freeware, or the tools to make one ! It's a flight simulator not a airport simulator ! Airport addons are nice but it's a complete waste of money for a few minutes taxiing, landing and taking off. But there is no freeware PMDG :(

 

 

So very true! A truth I came to after wasting mucho mula on scenery I use rare to never. Especially after seeing how much better performance is with defaults and freeware.

16 hours ago, tonywob said:

This is something I noticed I did a lot in FSX when I used virtual airlines. I'd purchase an airport just to have some departure/arrival scenery, and only spend about 15 minutes there and then never use the airport again and forget I even had it. It's the same with most of my ORBX airports, I use them once or twice, but then forget about them. However I really hate obviously fake airports, especially if I am somewhat familiar with the airport I'm visiting. 

Yep, it's amazing just how many people can't grasp this concept and will put down others. If this were true, companies like ORBX would have a hard time selling anything since many of their airports are too small for a 737

Exactly,

There 43,983 airports in the world according to Google. The going rate for a ADD-ON airport is 20-40$. Who going to spend that kind of money to populate the world with airports? The default airports in FSX/PD3 look like a dog, same goes with the scenery . ORBX has a cash cow in their hands ! Laminar crowd sourced airports are brilliant ! They are plausible, which is good enough for me !