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I read a brief article that had a link and I hate Facebook so I am having trouble reading it, but I think it says that Eaglesoft is coming with 4 airplanes starting early next year but none of them are going to be for p3d v4? is that right?

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I saw on ADX the new renders of the new Citation X - I mean yeah it looks gorgeous - but just a WILD guess here.... it's gonna be "a while" before we see that bird.

I think their C560+ is going to beta soon or already is...  but FSX first.

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Technically I believe it's 32bit first... not simply FSX.

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I didn't think Eaglesoft was still around. I haven't heard any news from them in a long time.

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20 minutes ago, ErichB said:

FSX first.?  Honestly?

Building flight simulator planes that actually work takes a very long time, in some cases years! so this is totally understandable as the most plausible reason is that the project started way long before the 64 bit version of PD3 was launched.

So it is not unreasonable to release the 32 bit version of the planes first while you converts the source code to 64bit, then the 64bit version of the plane will need to be beta tested (or at least it should) before it can be released.

if it works for FSX it is very likely it will work for PD3 V3.

Regards,
Simbol

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Hi Folks,

Well - kinda good news... P3Dv4 is all I use... 

I can't do Facebook - so thanks for the update...

Four ?

  • Citation X
  • Citation XLS
  • Challenger
  • ???

Regards,

Scott

 

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No P3Dv4, no Navigraph, no sales... at least for me. A shame since the planes seem to have a lot of potential. 

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Just now, carlito777 said:

No P3Dv4, no Navigraph, no sales... at least for me. 

You should see this as an advantage, it will come out for FSX / PD3, you will be able to see the reports, pictures and reviews form other users and they will influence the patches and fixes that the developer will need to implement for P3Dv4, so when the P3Dv4 is available the product would be polished and you get the end results :)

All the best,

Simbol

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But if they don't release for 32-bit platforms first, how are they supposed to double dip by having customers pay 64-bit upgrade fees? :wink:

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Just now, Chapstick said:

But if they don't release for 32-bit platforms first, how are they supposed to double dip by having customers pay 64-bit upgrade fees? :wink:

Hi Alex,

You are seeing this as the other way around, developing planes is very complicated and takes a lot of time, they probably were too way deep on 32bit to start developing for 64bit when P3Dv4 came out, so what do you do? you have to continue and finish your product for 32bit and take it out for general public.

They will need to spend a considerable amount of money and time to convert for 64bit, the decision to make the upgrade for free or not is up to them, but as a flight simulator user I would be happy to pay for the upgrade to continue supporting them as developers so they can continue to run their business and being able to grow the flight simulator community with great add-on's.

Without users the community cannot grow, but without developers this cannot happen either.. we both need each other.

Best Regards,
Simbol

 

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There are still a huge number of people out there who still use FSX, FSX-SE and at least P3Dv3 (I still have P3Dv3.4 for the stuffs that are not available on V4 yet).  Developers need to recoup the cost and will go to where they can get the doe first.  Scenery developers are more advantageous, their stuffs don't fly and you only see bit of theirs briefly on take off and landing :cool:.  No Navigraph update is a big downer for me, but may be they support other nav data?  I have a hard time believing that a complex Bizjet like their product don't support nav data update.

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There are other options that are not Eaglesoft.  I wrote this company off years ago after having several problems and/or basic functionality questions with the v2 CitationX FMS/CDU.  I never received anything but condescending and rude statements from one developer in particular.  Maybe the lack of Navigraph support is because they still haven't figured out how to make a realistically functioning FMS.

However, somebody is still buying this stuff.  This feels like another money-grab to me, like so many other products out there. 

 

 

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I have been purchasing the Eaglesoft corporate jets since the Beechjet 400A was first released for FS2002. I have always enjoyed them especially the Citation X, which I flew in both versions in FS9 and FSX and the V2 in P3DV3. I have now moved exclusively to P3DV4.1 and will purchase their jets as the become available for P3DV4. However I do understand their reasons for releasing for 32 bit sims first. 

Greg 

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Hi Folks,

LOL - yeah - granted - Ron is not always the most - tactful - person in the room but if you've been following the development efforts the models they are working on look superb... In addition - they tend to be a realistic study level simulation dedicated to business jets - the PMDG of the corporate jet world... So if it has a Proline 21 - you can expect it to operate like a Proline 21... While the 32 bit models won't do me any good - I'm sure they understand the need to port them to 64... I'm patient - when they come to my sim of choice - I'll be there to give them a shot...

Regards,
Scott

  

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4 hours ago, carlito777 said:

No P3Dv4, no Navigraph, no sales... at least for me. A shame since the planes seem to have a lot of potential. 

Agreed. They are still designing for the past. Shame as I will not buy either.

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The XLS and the Challenger were designed well before P3DV4 was even announced under NDA to developers. They have been in work since P3D was a wee baby on the commercial market or at least the XLS for sure. It takes nearly half a decade to design a good close to study level complex aircraft. By the time V4 was announced the XLS  was almost in Beta and the Challenger was already into coding. I don't understand the pedantic "I will never buy" foot stomping that goes on over developers processes. 

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I do not see any foot stomping here.  I see potential customers giving their feedback/opinion on why they may or may not purchase the product.  Voting with their dollars, so to speak.

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5 hours ago, Greggy_D said:

I do not see any foot stomping here.  I see potential customers giving their feedback/opinion on why they may or may not purchase the product.  Voting with their dollars, so to speak.

Yes have to agree with you. I have now been through FS9, then FSX for a few years, finally tried P3D at V2 then through P3Dv3 and now P3Dv4.1. When P3D finally went 64 bit, I realised we were in a new world of simming. The main improvement was performance. I made no change to my system, but all of my sceneries and high performance a/c worked much better. So as much as I have liked Eaglesoft products in the past, I can't see buying anything new that isn't compatible with 64-bit P3Dv4. And I have to wonder how many people continue to use FSX. If I look at the number of posts on a daily basis on Avsim, there are many more on P3D than on FSX. I expect that Eaglesoft just got caught where they did not anticipate 64 bit P3D so quickly? And perhaps they do not have the resources to convert as quickly as A2A and a few others. Milviz has not converted all of their aircraft to P3Dv4. I don't think Carenado has either (not that I am interested in their products anymore). Evidently it is a pretty big effort to convert a complex a/c form 32-bit FSX to 64 bit P3D.

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I was pretty interested in this until they mentioned no Navigraph support. I'm not willing to fly it unless I can be on the current AIRAC.

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It may be awhile before we see a v4 version, per Eaglesoft on FB, 64 bit avionics at our level is no picnic....

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Really hoped Eaglesoft would be releasing some biz jets next year for v4, because no other company has full featured systems and a fmc. The coming Falcon I read about is getting a Flight1 GTN for you to put in. Can I have a bizjet to fly Netjets and other flights hopping around and to Hawaii/Europe sometime next year????

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It's going to use a different navdata source and one of the reasons I heard is because this method will provide LPV guidance on rnav (gps) approaches.

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Here is the article from our FB Page. It is included here in the interest of full disclosure, not as promotion.:cool:

A timeline regarding Eaglesoft Generation Three Catalog of Corporate and General Aviation Projects for all three current 32 Bit Simulation Platforms [FSX Boxed, FSX Steam, and P3DV3] is requested by flight simulation community members. Eaglesoft response is as follows.

Generation Three Citation XLS+ w/full Collins Pro Line 21 Avionics Suite is slated to begin rigorous beta testing in December 2017 w/ Release to Market [RTM] set for early 2018.

Generation Three Challenger 605 w//full Collins Pro Line 21 Avionics Suite will follow the Eaglesoft Development/Testing routine. We cannot make a projection for Challenger 605 [RTM] as there are too many variables.

Generation Three Citation X w/full Honeywell Primus 2000 Avionics Suite will follow the Eaglesoft Development/Testing routine and [RTM] path as outlined for the Challenger 605.

ALL Generation Three Projects will be considered as candidates for a 64 Bit P3DV4 Generation Four Catalog of products in development.:-)

A visit to the above mentioned FB Page yields plenty of shots of all three current projects. PS: We consider "all three current 32 Bit Simulation Platforms [FSX Boxed, FSX Steam, and P3DV3] as very viable platforms which enjoy widespread use in the community. While we may be late to the 64 bit party, we do intend to build for that platform as stated.

When I do have time to fly I still run  [FSX Boxed, FSX Steam, and P3DV3] AND P3DV4 on the same machine and enjoy all four... Merry Christmas all.:biggrin:

 

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