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What drives people to behave like this? If alcohol is involved (the article doesn't say) maybe it's time to consider banning alcohol on flights as well as airports just as smoking was. She was sitting next to a US Air Marshal. Was she a prisoner being escorted by the marshals? Again the article doesn't say. However. it states the air marshal escorted her to the bathroom multiple times.
Passenger assaults air marshal

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10 minutes ago, bills511 said:

maybe it's time to consider banning alcohol on flights as well as airports just as smoking was. 

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1 hour ago, bills511 said:

What drives people to behave like this? If alcohol is involved (the article doesn't say) maybe it's time to consider banning alcohol on flights as well as airports just as smoking was. She was sitting next to a US Air Marshal. Was she a prisoner being escorted by the marshals? Again the article doesn't say. However. it states the air marshal escorted her to the bathroom multiple times.
Passenger assaults air marshal

Is something that i never understood, so many concerns with safety and alcohol is allowed, i already saw in first person 3 guys completely drunk in a flight and was so close to escalate to a very bad situation.

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2 hours ago, bills511 said:

What drives people to behave like this? If alcohol is involved (the article doesn't say) maybe it's time to consider banning alcohol on flights as well as airports just as smoking was. She was sitting next to a US Air Marshal. Was she a prisoner being escorted by the marshals? Again the article doesn't say. However. it states the air marshal escorted her to the bathroom multiple times.
Passenger assaults air marshal

Alcohol, men and women, and high cabin altitude, is a deadly combination, not to mention many of these nut cases take other meds that clearly warn the user not to mix with alcohol.  When I was departing a twin aisle jet in Atlanta, a man in the other aisle started to yell and curse at an older woman who could not move quickly, who was holding up the line (O'tooles Observation: the other line moves faster....).  I swear to this day, had I a Glock or been an air marshal I would have shot the guy with point blank in the forehead for spilling his venom at the poor woman.  No man had better attack a woman or lay a touch on a woman or interfere with an argument between a man and a woman when I am around.  I followed the word not allowed as he was chasing down the older woman just to perform more invective on her.  The other passengers who saw this did nothing other than mumble under their voices, other than one other man who had the courage to speak up.....

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The frustrating part for myself and the crew, often times, these people get a simple slap on the wrist, yet they cause massive disruption to the lives of the passengers and crew. Sadly, our justice system is no longer always about doling out justice. I've had to have 2 people removed so far from one of my flights this year... Sad...

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Unfortunately product liability doesn't apply to booze producers or their venues. Too much money going around to the law makers and lawyers.

I wish they would tax their eye balls out to help compensate victims and society for misery and wrecked lives caused by their slop. 

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3 hours ago, Cactus521 said:

I swear to this day, had I a Glock or been an air marshal I would have shot the guy with point blank in the forehead

Nice ......

3 hours ago, Cactus521 said:

No man had better attack a woman or lay a touch on a woman or interfere with an argument between a man and a woman when I am around.

Are you sure that you don't have an anger management issue?

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This is not an isolated case.  It has invaded law enforcement, supermarket shoppers, schools, politics, and even churches.  It's permissiveness, in-your-face protecting my imagined rights, plain rudeness and, mostly, a lack of self discipline.  Failure to listen to each other is another factor.  The anonymity of social media lets the inner dragons out.  The fast pace of modern life and long work weeks contribute.  We have become a stressed out society.

The age of civility is a bye-gone era.

Noel

 

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I like how you guys jump on "alcohol" when it was never stated as a cause and only the OP implied it's use...Look b4 leap

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One of the great things about not flying self-loading cargo is I didn't have to deal with these type issues. :laugh:

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It boggles my mind how anyone could want to defend booze (regardless of whether or not it was involved). There is no question regarding its effects on mind and body. The so called benefits of beer don't outweigh the destructive effects. There are also better ways to get the benefits of red wine without the ethanol.

Bottom line, the only place for ethanol is on a swab, in a lab, or a fuel tank.

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Well, let's go back to prohibitionism. Last time worked wonders, right?

 

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1 hour ago, Murmur said:

Well, let's go back to prohibitionism. Last time worked wonders, right?

 

The only thing that actually works is a change of the human heart.

On prohibition my theory is the reason it didn't work is the same reason the war on drugs is a failure. There is too much money trickling up to people in high places on the national state and local levels. Politicians, judges,and lawyers don't want to see the cash cow dry up in spite of lofty platitudes spoken for public consumption.

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Alcohol should not be served on airlines nor sporting events.  The former is a potential hazard and the latter there are families and children present.

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17 minutes ago, Boomer said:

Alcohol should not be served on airlines nor sporting events.  The former is a potential hazard and the latter there are families and children present.

Disagree. On the hundreds of flights over the last 30 years I never saw one single incident . Why should we all have to pay the price for a handful of idiots..besides I need my 5 beers to get to sleep :biggrin:

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24 minutes ago, Boomer said:

Alcohol should not be served on airlines nor sporting events.  The former is a potential hazard and the latter there are families and children present.

My thoughts are, they are intoxicated when the get on the plane! So what, band alcohol in the Airport. ?

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49 minutes ago, Adrian123 said:

My thoughts are, they are intoxicated when the get on the plane! So what, band alcohol in the Airport. ?

Sure.  Why is alcohol needed at all.  Why is someone else's dependency or addiction my problem?

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9 minutes ago, Boomer said:

Sure.  Why is alcohol needed at all.  Why is someone else's dependency or addiction my problem?

restaurants

concerts

cruises

dinner party's

casinos

golf clubs

country clubs

sport arenas

I mean the list is endless. Im guessing you avoid them all.. its a bit sad you limit your life like that because of a few trouble makers. Believe it or not the majority are neither dependent or alcoholics and its a shame you see it like that.

 

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1 hour ago, zmak said:

restaurants

concerts

cruises

dinner party's

casinos

golf clubs

country clubs

sport arenas

I mean the list is endless. Im guessing you avoid them all.. its a bit sad you limit your life like that because of a few trouble makers. Believe it or not the majority are neither dependent or alcoholics and its a shame you see it like that.

 

There are more than a few trouble makers, dude you do not know how to count.  A man or woman with alcohol in my face will know then I have anger management issues against those who consciously and willingly choose to become a nasty drunk in my face.  Someone with excess alcohol is a locked and loaded weapon that does not feel pain, an animal. One kills animals to lower the wild animal population, it is killing, not murder to put those and the society they infect with their so called illness out of our misery. It is the one crime which I believe the death penalty is still warranted.  It is euthanasia for them and mercy for the rest of us.  Anyone who rises to their defense is just as bad as they are.

 

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12 hours ago, Bluestar said:

One of the great things about not flying self-loading cargo is I didn't have to deal with these type issues. :laugh:

I hear you.

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There are times and places for everything.  Zmack's list is reasonable except maybe for sports arenas where emotions can run high especially if your team is losing and you want to take it out on someone.  Alcohol lowers your inhibitions and anger surfaces.

We don't allow smoking tobacco on aircraft or on trains (in the US) or in restaurants because of the effect it has others.

I would say banning alcohol on flights where crowding tends to make people uncomfortable and irritable any little thing can set them off it is appropriate.  If you can't want a few hours before your next drink you have a problem. 

I believe anyone who is obviously intoxicates is not allowed to board a flight anyway.

Noel

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46 minutes ago, birdguy said:

There are times and places for everything.  Zmack's list is reasonable except maybe for sports arenas where emotions can run high especially if your team is losing and you want to take it out on someone.  Alcohol lowers your inhibitions and anger surfaces.

We don't allow smoking tobacco on aircraft or on trains (in the US) or in restaurants because of the effect it has others.

I would say banning alcohol on flights where crowding tends to make people uncomfortable and irritable any little thing can set them off it is appropriate.  If you can't want a few hours before your next drink you have a problem. 

I believe anyone who is obviously intoxicates is not allowed to board a flight anyway.

Noel

The only times I have had alcohol on aircraft are on long haul flights when I cannot sleep.  I become an introverted, slightly tipsy drunk and just curl up into a little ball and sleep off the growing jet lag, like I did on the beginning of my flights too and from London last year where free alcohol was served in premium economy.  I am so light now that one drink, and I am gone.  Then I have one e-cig when I get home which counteracts the remaining alcohol and wakes me back up.  I get slightly sociable with the flight attendants who do not seem to mind but if my seatmate does not want to be bothered, I do not bother them especially if it a lady.  It is not classy to drink and bother women if they do not want to be bothered, IMHO or the other way around.  If I drink more than every few months it is too much for me except for alcohol in some medicines which cannot be prevented, although I try to opt for alcohol free medicine which is becoming more common, especially those with sugar alcohol substitutes.

As long as someone who drinks is not in my face I am fine with their personal choice.  Same goes for a Marijuana user which is now legal in Arizona, widely legal, for medicinal purposes which although anecdotally proven is not accepted by big and bigger pharma, which has the federal government in its back pocket and tries to stop it.

Had medical Marijuana been available to my mother and father when they had cancer it would have been better than opiates which severely incapacitate the patient and has ever reducing benefit for pain.  I found I had to hide opiates from my mother at the request of her hospice team because they were causing her terrible medical discomfort in her final days.  Only warm food comforted her in the end even though hospice cruelly wanted to withhold it from her.  I have been around four people who suffered and died, both my parents and both my brothers.  Death in that form is a cruel enemy, not a friend and yes, I do have terrible survivors guilt.

John

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A lot of talk on here about alcohol, I would like to know what pills she was popping, if any. So many prescribed and over the counter pills these days as coping mechanisms and they too are also effected by low pressurized cabins, and a drink on top of that certainly contributes as well. Amazing how life stresses can drive a person this far over the edge

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We have received reports and I think this topic is rapidly going off topic and becoming inciting for many.  Topic closed.

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