TIR isn’t currently supported or on the current list to add...

Just now, Kilo60 said:

TIR isn’t currently supported or on the current list to add...

That we know of.  

Also I think it's possible to have TIR working without direct support of the devs.

23 minutes ago, FishermanIvan said:

To be perfectly frank, have fun in the past. 

That's like the GA guys who still fly with VORs and NDBs, and don't have a GPS in the airplane.

To be perfectly frank, if what i stated bears fruit, have fun with your 15 dollar MS approved joystick. You really think those of us with close to 10k in hardware are going to throw it all in a closet if incompatible? Get real.

5 minutes ago, Kilo60 said:

TIR isn’t currently supported or on the current list to add...

The first of many I fear. Once released, people will start complaining there (insert what they are using with P3D here) is no longer compatible with MS2020.

Edited November 16, 20196 yr by B777ER

2 minutes ago, B777ER said:

To be perfectly frank, if what i stated bears fruit, have fun with your 15 dollar MS approved joystick. You really think those of us with close to 10k in hardware are going to throw it all in a closet if incompatible? Get real.

Not to mention the many of us that get motion sickness with VR headsets!

 

1 minute ago, Kilo60 said:

Not to mention the many of us that get motion sickness with VR headsets!

 

The higher the FPS the less motion sick u get in VR, hopefully this sim is gonna have good performance. 

3 hours ago, B777ER said:

Scenery and weather look fantastic but.... what about

1. Multiplayer via Vatsim and vPilot type clients? If MS only servers then this is a no-go for me.

2. I have (and many others as well) thousands of dollars of hardware run through fsuipc. Will fsuipc work with this platform? If not, another showstopper.

3. Various other programs such as simserver for RemoteCDU, simacars, TrackIR, etc... Will any of that work....

People are seeing the scenery and not thinking of much else. There are many things that, for me, need to happen for this to replace P3D. Ya, it looks nice but not at the cost of losing the ability to forgo all above stuff.

Eric, not much will or desire in these forums to accurately emulate what goes on in a real airplane cockpit. You will be accused of being a dinosaur, your experience will be denigrated and potentially worse. 

Those of us continuing to seek the most accurate simulation of real world flying will likely find more community in the cockpit builders groups on FB. 

Good luck and know that you are not alone, just a member of a quieter and, perhaps, more focused community.

2 hours ago, papaja said:

The higher the FPS the less motion sick u get in VR, hopefully this sim is gonna have good performance. 

Motion sickness is (I believe) mostly caused by the inner eye not receiving the same motion info as the eyes. A bit like looking down to read a book while in a car. Your balance is telling you that you're moving while your eyes are telling you you're not. I'm not sure how VR without motion will ever cure that problem without a prescription.

As for the topic in hand... it is up to the add-on developers (whether hardware or software) to keep their products up to date. Microsoft just has to provide a decent API for them to do so. In no way shape or form should Microsoft need to spend any time making things backward compatible if it creates any compromises on the ability to improve new stuff.

Edited November 16, 20196 yr by b737800

51 minutes ago, b737800 said:

Motion sickness is (I believe) mostly caused by the inner eye not receiving the same motion info as the eyes. A bit like looking down to read a book while in a car. Your balance is telling you that you're moving while your eyes are telling you you're not. I'm not sure how VR without motion will ever cure that problem without a prescription.

As for the topic in hand... it is up to the add-on developers (whether hardware or software) to keep their products up to date. Microsoft just has to provide a decent API for them to do so. In no way shape or form should Microsoft need to spend any time making things backward compatible if it creates any compromises on the ability to improve new stuff.

Thats really true, i have not doubt they are gonna provide a good API with the team and investment they have. When it comes to VR, the experience varies a lot depending on the person i guess, in my case i got a lot motion sickness when there was input delay so the lower the fps the worst it got. 

Edited November 16, 20196 yr by papaja

2 hours ago, Kilo60 said:

TIR isn’t currently supported or on the current list to add...

And you know this how?  If they aren’t planning on implementing VR or TIR at the beginning, how the hell else are we supposed to realistically change the viewpoint?  With a hat button?

I am not surprised but remain astounded - someone voices an opinion which goes against the group think and gets attacked. Honestly kiddies, it a just a computer game. A few of you need to take a reality check.

1 minute ago, DavidP said:

I am not surprised but remain astounded - someone voices an opinion which goes against the group think and gets attacked. Honestly kiddies, it a just a computer game. A few of you need to take a reality check.

Attacked? This is a forum for discussion. If people need to "take a reality check" rather than be able to express differing options then what is the point of being here? Where is the attack?

6 hours ago, B777ER said:

I for one will not set all that aside if it cannot work.

No one's asking you to.

Edited November 16, 20196 yr by Anders Bermann

38 minutes ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

And then what if P3D V5 or XP12 used the same terrain system as MSFS, cloud/weather system, and lighting system with an SDK and 85% backward compatibility with existing add-ons?

More like XP16 based on how they tend to make progress. 

41 minutes ago, b737800 said:

Attacked? This is a forum for discussion. If people need to "take a reality check" rather than be able to express differing options then what is the point of being here? Where is the attack?

I just expressed an opinion - I rest my case.