The reason being is I have xbox game pass for PC.  I went to download a 30gig game and it was only downloading at 1.6m a second (it would take like 36 hours)  on my connection with is 300 mb per second.  I tried multiple computers I own and googled and read other people also have extremely slow d/l speeds from MS.

With these types of speeds downloading how will it be when FS comes out and people trying to download gigs of scenery on the fly?  Maybe my experience was just a glitch but I'm not really impressed with MS speeds for download or streaming.

Game download and bing maps are 2 very different servers, I wouldn't worry about that 🙂

It’s fine on mine, and is the quickest between steam, origin and Xbox (though origin can mix it with Xbox most of the time). I think your worry is more generally about how the games industry (and practically every other form of entertainment) are going rather than the sim per se though?

Game downloads are usually on a different server than the online game data servers.  In other words there is a good chance the server with the map data will be a different server.  They do this for load balancing.

Additionally MS has said you can pre-cache and area.  So just download the map data for your route the night before.

With that said, there will probably be glitches for the first few days after launch as they try to meet demand.  The game is a ways away, so hopefully they iron out the bugs they see in the alpha and beta test.

Hence why i am hoping it will come to Steam too like other recent MS games.

If it uses the windows store, well, it wasn't reliable back then when there was the Sea of Thieves testing

It won't matter what store you download the base installation from, all of the data is still going to be coming from Microsoft's servers.

It makes you wonder how exhibitors at Flight Sim Shows such as RAF Cosford or Lelystad, Netherlands will manage when there's no internet provided and users have to reply on either downloading specific areas beforehand or relying on 4G via a dongle assuming the signal is decent enough and 4G is available.

This has never been a problem with FSX, P3D and XPlane but certainly will be if a visitor to the stand asks to fly in a part of the world where the scenery hasn't been cached. You have a great simulator but cannot show people anything but small areas of the world. Hmmm.

8 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

It makes you wonder how exhibitors at Flight Sim Shows such as RAF Cosford or Lelystad, Netherlands will manage when there's no internet provided and users have to reply on either downloading specific areas beforehand or relying on 4G via a dongle assuming the signal is decent enough and 4G is available.

This has never been a problem with FSX, P3D and XPlane but certainly will be if a visitor to the stand asks to fly in a part of the world where the scenery hasn't been cached. You have a great simulator but cannot show people anything but small areas of the world. Hmmm.

extrem case where you can fly in complet offline mode. The offline mode, is less candy eyes, but correct in VFR criteria (source #episode 1 world)

in any technological choice there are advantages and disadvantages. From what I understand (AI azure associated with Bing and other data sources, don't forget it) bring more advantages than disadvantages.

but there will always be exceptional circumstances where the inconvenience will be the strongest.

You can't have the cake and eat it too...

I'm sure FS will have dedicated servers, so I wouldn't worry about current XBox problems.

The sim will run perfectly with no internet, areas can be downloaded in advance before a flight, and there is an algorithm that creates scenery details on-the-fly according to your connection. Seems to me Microsoft has thought things through. 

What do you folks want? Earth is a huge place - you can't compress it down to a few gigabytes of data if you want a realistic scenery of it. That's just the way it is. Until we have petabyte drives for home computers, and a data infrastructure that can handle 100 times the Internet we have today, we're stuck with streaming as the one and only solution. 

2 minutes ago, azulkb said:

extrem case where you can fly in complet offline mode. The offline mode, is less candy eyes, but correct in VFR criteria (source #episode 1 world)

in any technological choice there are advantages and disadvantages. From what I understand (AI azure associated with Bing and other data sources, don't forget it) bring more advantages than disadvantages.

but there will always be exceptional circumstances where the inconvenience will be the strongest.

I wouldn’t class flight sim shows as exceptional circumstances. People will want to see the sim in its full glory. They can of course but only in cached areas. Until we can actually see all three modes and compare it will remain an unknown.

I also attend a monthly meeting in a village hall that has limited internet access - 4G and variable quality and there will be these events all around the world. Time will tell but when you bind a simulator to the web there will be consequences.

I’m sure MS will make it accesible for all to use with different options to enjoy it. 
 

There's nothing to worry about. It’s made all other sims (P3D / x-plane) redundant before it’s even released.  Being patient while counting down the days until history is made is the painful thing right now. 

1 minute ago, Doug47 said: It’s made all other sims (P3D / x-plane) redundant before it’s even released.  Being patient while counting down the days until history is made is the painful thing right now. 

Sorry but that is complete codswallop. What about those people who have invested in serious setups with P3D and are happy to remain with them? There will be a market for those sims for years.

4 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Until we can actually see all three modes and compare it will remain an unknown.

in episode 1 we can see seattle in complet offline mode. I admit is a short footage. Another solution, it's perhaps to put cached area in a external drive.

It's way too early to worry about this. We won't know anything for sure until the system is under full load, and that won't happen until after the sim is officially released and enough people are flying it. And then you'll know if it works or not. Patience.

This need for heavy down loads requirement is probably the main reason that I am very reserved with my excitement about this whole project. I do think that they are going to make some great strides in the content of MS2020 but it is yet to be seen how well it is going to work out in the next year or two. I live in a medium sized area (Pensacola Fl.) and to be honest AT&T is lucky to get email to work on most days. My guess is that MS is making a big gamble on the world going to 5G. My impression is that this whole 5G thing is not progressing like many had hoped. In fact I have seen many who live in parts of the world that 5G is being rolled out are going back to 4G. We have to remember that MS has had a habit of designing and releasing flight sim products that can not be run to its full potential by most of us for years after release. In fact most of their releases have been that way. The age old advice has always been that hey this will work great years from now when processors or graphic cards are developed. In the mean time we fight with bluried graphics and crashes to desk top. Now we may be getting into the oh just wait for 5G or 6G and you will love it. Yes new stuff is always exciting but even though the new "sim of the gods" may be coming this year it could be some years before we can use all its features.