Can't believe the number of major developers that have basically stopped everything waiting for a new sim.  

Given my investment in P3D i have absolutely no intention of abandoning my high quality add ons to pay for a new sim and the add ons all over again or at best - wait for ages for compatibility to occur.

P3D4.X offers a stable platform that is just fine for me and i guess many others....I simply can't believe they all just stopped dead after MS abandoned simmers before and are now now making promises they are unlikely to be able to keep.

Seems very short sighted to me considering an established and stable platform we already have and peoples investments in scenery, aircraft etc are already quite large.

 

could u tell us who in particular ?

14 hours ago, barramundilure said:

Can't believe the number of major developers that have basically stopped everything waiting for a new sim.  

Given my investment in P3D i have absolutely no intention of abandoning my high quality add ons to pay for a new sim and the add ons all over again or at best - wait for ages for compatibility to occur.

P3D4.X offers a stable platform that is just fine for me and i guess many others....I simply can't believe they all just stopped dead after MS abandoned simmers before and are now now making promises they are unlikely to be able to keep.

Seems very short sighted to me considering an established and stable platform we already have and peoples investments in scenery, aircraft etc are already quite large.

 

While we are still developing and releasing products for P3Dv4 and will likely continue so long as their is a market for such products, but I'll also my personal opinion is that the market will dry up just as it did for FSX, for FS2004, FS2002.  This has happened many times before in our community with people sharing the same concerns you have about the money you've put into your sim (me too by the way).  In fact, the various flight sim forums have posts the same as yours for many different sims over time.

I don't know, but from what has been released publicly MSFS is such a leap forward compared to all other sims that it's difficult not to think that even Lockheed Martin isn't going to change over to a commercial license of MSFS. We know from MS public statements that potential commercial P3D customers (airlines) have already contacted MS to inquire about their working MSFS into the existing or future sims.

Progress is progress regardless of the business sector, and developers have to stay focused on where the market or they won't be developers for very long.  Can you imagine what would happen to software developers who refused to move forward from Windows XP?

 

Best wishes!

Edited January 25, 20206 yr by DaveCT2003

32 minutes ago, barramundilure said:

Given my investment in P3D i have absolutely no intention of abandoning my high quality add ons to pay for a new sim and the add ons all over again or at best - wait for ages for compatibility to occur.

Just change your point of view and everything will be fine: you have a perfectly working sim with a lot of addons. It won't suddenly stop working after MS2020 is released... Means: if you are happy with your sim, you will be able to have fun with it even in 2021.

And regarding investment: you hopefully did not buy addons for the future, no? Means: all your investment already paid back, you did use your addons and you can still use them as long as you want, again independent of MS2020 being on the market or not.

2 hours ago, DaveCT2003 said:

it's difficult not to think that even Lockheed Martin isn't going to change over to a commercial license of MSFS

I had this same thought a couple of months ago. Why would Lockheed Martin continue with P3D when they can have access to what certainly seems to be at this point a much higher quality platform with substantially greater fidelity. And I am confident that this commercial market segment is an important one for Microsoft, likely generating far more revenue from MSFS than from individual users paying a relative small price or agreeing to a subscription. Of course we do not really know what the new MSFS will be like, but all the signs are promising, and if I was operating a related business I would be looking carefully at the new platform and not investing more in P3D.

Personally, I do not have the time, energy or money to maintain multiple simulators. I wish I did because they all have strengths that I would enjoy and benefit from, but I just can't do it. So once MSFS is released, I will try it, and barring any significant limitations or issues, I will quickly switch to it. And I will spend some time quietly uninstalling P3D and all of its add-ons. Then I will place them all in a zipped folder and with fond memories archive it. It is true that it will take some time to have all of the benefits I currently have with P3D. But I am happy to wait and to be excited as products become available. I see it as a fresh start and, to be honest, I will not miss needing to install a dozen products from different developers just to correct issues with the base simulator and to get a basically-okay looking view. So, I begin 2020 optimistic that flight simulation will take a leap forward, attract many new people and reinvigorate our hobby.

Edited January 24, 20206 yr by Cognita

Any developer have to monitor sales, and if customers are getting up on the fence, they have no other choice than to start looking for new revenue streams. It can take years to develop a product, and a wise developer will have to think about where the market is in when the product is finished. 

You'll be able to enjoy P3D for many years still if Lockheed Martin wants you to, but in the end, this is not a problem that current developers or Microsoft have created. The confidence in Lockheed Martin's Prepar3D has been fragile from the get go. EULA issues, slow development progress, lack of focus on hobby simmers, minimal consumer interaction, minimal marketing and social media presence etc. has left many uncertain of the future, even though LM has proven a long term commitment. 

What Lockheed Martin needs to do now is step up to the plate and tell us where they plan to take their platform. 

Edited January 24, 20206 yr by simmerhead

Simple P3D PC, MSFS XBOX I think that's why MS came back to FS not because they felt guilty about PC users, and I don't think it will be dumb down as much as some users think for the XBOX.

LM P3D are not competing with MSFS or FSX it`s a product the complement the products they develop, unlike MS and MSFS if 10 years from now someone at the top says development cost not worth it, and its not bringing in the punter as much as we thought we now what will happen. 

Edited January 24, 20206 yr by rjfry

2020 is the Flightsimmers Year 🤩

It doesn't make any sense to call the purchase of computer hardware and a flight sim program and addons an investment unless you use it to make money or it will appreciate in value(😅😂🤣). Part of a persons income should be invested with the hope/expectation that they will get a return on there investment. Typically all of ones financial obligations should be addressed and then if there is anything left over that's disposable income. So the money most of us spend of flight sim or any other hobby is disposable income. That's why I am convinced flight simmers must be all rich that they have so much disposable income to spend on toys. 😁

It's time to use the full power of new graphics cards.  It is also advisable to make all processor cores work correctly by distributing functions between them.  p3d will not go anywhere and will live for a long time.
 

A lot of 2 + 2 = 5 stuff going on here.

Who are these major developers?

- PMDG released the NGXu last year and there is a major update to the 777 product 'coming soon'.
- Flightbeam Studios have NZAA, LFBO and an unnamed major airport in the works.
- FlyTampa has an EKCH update, an OMDB update, KATL, and LGAV v2 apparently all in progress.
- Orbx back working on OLC Africa, some airports in the UK on the way and porting their US TrueEarth regions across.
- Aerosoft have commissioned (AFAIK) EBBR, LIBD, LICR, and LSZH v3.

And that's only what I'm aware of.

Our favourite 3PDs are going to keep producing until such time as the market no longer supports developement of P3D add-ons, just like FSX, FS2004 and FS2002 before it.

LM is going to continue developing P3D until such time that their lucrative military and commercial revenues for it dry-up.

Yes, MSFS is the looming city-sized asteroid bearing down on the FS arena. But change is often a good thing.

A lot of unnecessary worry and false rumours being spread at this moment in time.
 

5 minutes ago, F737NG said:

A lot of 2 + 2 = 5 stuff going on here.

Who are these major developers?

- PMDG released the NGXu last year and there is a major update to the 777 product 'coming soon'.
- Flightbeam Studios have NZAA, LFBO and an unnamed major airport in the works.
- FlyTampa has an EKCH update, an OMDB update, KATL, and LGAV v2 apparently all in progress.
- Orbx back working on OLC Africa, some airports in the UK on the way and porting their US TrueEarth regions across.
- Aerosoft have commissioned (AFAIK) EBBR, LIBD, LICR, and LSZH v3.

And that's only what I'm aware of.

Our favourite 3PDs are going to keep producing until such time as the market no longer supports developement of P3D add-ons, just like FSX, FS2004 and FS2002 before it.

LM is going to continue developing P3D until such time that their lucrative military and commercial revenues for it dry-up.

Yes, MSFS is the looming city-sized asteroid bearing down on the FS arena. But change is often a good thing.

A lot of unnecessary worry and false rumours being spread at this moment in time.
 

Not to mention all the awesome freeware photo packages available. 😁

Some people have no idea of what they are missing. P3D v4.5 HF2 is pretty awesome!

If we need to upgrade to a 2080TI to get the most of the new sim, good luck with that one.

Edited January 24, 20206 yr by DJJose

I haven't stopped at all! I have more work than ever for P3D!. Read below to see what I have been up to!

I am so busy that I was working on the NGXu Immersion package during New Years Eve and my Wife had to come upstairs and remind me the fireworks were about to start!

So I have no idea why you think we have stopped I can tell you with lots of confidence, all major developers are working FULL TIME to deliver new content for P3D and XP. MSFS? well we have no SDK yet.. so.. I leave it there 😉

S.

Also, I think the idea that backwards or cross platform compatibility is over with Microsoft Flight Simulator is not true. It will be far easier I believe to make a current state of the art addon compatible with the new sim than it would be to start from scratch. Sure aircraft will need new flight dynamics but the old flight dynamics model will work in the new sim. I am sure it will be a very big leap forward but I am no so sure that this new sim is as different from FSX/P3D and everyone seems to think.

I have so much time and money invested in P3D there is no way I'll be leaving. At my age it will likely be the last sim after 30 years.

I doubt if my system meets the recommended system to run FS2020. Does anyone even know what the minimum system requirements are yet?