You only have to watch the video's on MSFS 2020 to see we will be entering a world we could have only dreamed of. Lock down P3D, I will not delete it until PMDG and FSL are in MSFS then P3D v4 will be wiped. It's time to move on and enjoy what we have until now dreamed off.

Cannot wait. Every single thing I've seen blows be away. LM P3dv5 might be better but it will not even come close to MSFS how can it? Everything about MSFS is beyond anything we have seen before in a flight sim.

Sadly I only see a market for airports and aircraft and AI. Because as it looks we don't need weather engines, better clouds, or even TE and shader programs will be a thing of the pass also. Sound packs etc etc all things of the past.

Nothing but great aircraft and airports and good AI.

MSFS could be a cheep sim!

Watch all these and ask why would ever want to fly P3D again once the aircraft you fly are in it. Even the "default" ones look breathtaking.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqONzeACDBaF6FfKjh7ndAQ/videos

Edited January 24, 20206 yr by Nyxx

Since I'm still running P3D3 and (only relatively recently) P3D4 I very much doubt I will entirely switch to FS2020 until it is very much supported with add ons of the types of aircraft I like to fly. How long that takes is very much up to the devs that make them. Overall though I suspect P3D4 has a good couple of years left in it, with a slow switch over to the new sim, at least IF it turns out to be as good as it appears.

 

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Expectations are very high indeed and its fair to say that MS and Asobo have raised those expectation. In my experience, and I think this is a well known truism that in successful business it is prudent to fall short of expectations. Sounds counter intuitive but their you go. I always say temper your expectations and you won't be disappointed.

Honestly what I see going on in this community with regard to Microsoft Flight Simulator is the setup for a great disappointment.

All together now:

Humpty Dumpty set on a wall.

Well screenshots and such look beautiful with the new MS.  But does it function as well as the screenshots?   Eventually I'll probably switch over.  But I'm still very much making purchases for P3DV4

Edited January 24, 20206 yr by micstatic
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I'm expecting many cases of "early-adopter remorse" when MS releases the new sim.

1 hour ago, Avidean said:

Honestly what I see going on in this community with regard to Microsoft Flight Simulator is the setup for a great disappointment.

Couldn't agree more.

Cheers, Ed

Funny to see the P3D folks now saying the same thing the FS9 folks were saying years ago...   I have thousands invested, I have a stable platform, I'm not moving, why don't people keep developing for FS9...

Change FS9 to P3D and it's the same conversations 10 years later LMBO

7 minutes ago, edpatino said:

Couldn't agree more.

Cheers, Ed

Why? FSX was word not allowed at first, so was X-Plane and Prepar3D. I'll give them a few years to fine tune the product - I and many with me don't expect everything to be perfect from the start. As for scenery, weather and graphics nothing we currently have comes close, so I don't see why some people need to constantly rain on the parade. Excitement and positivity is something this hobby sorely miss as it currently seems to appeal mostly to grumpy old men. This envy and bashing of people being happy about a the new sim is frankly ridiculous. 

The very title of this thread assumes facts not in evidence. 

I bought FSX a couple days before it actually released in 2006...at the time I was stationed at the US Embassy in Chile and was in D.C. escorting a Chilean VIP.  I walked across the street during a break in the action and sweet-talked the guy at the counter of the GameStop in the Pentagon City Mall to sell me a copy since I was going to be back out of the country on release day and wouldn't even be able to load it on my PC until I got back to Chile.  I loaded it as soon as I got home and fired it up...and the next couple days were among the most disappointing in my 25+ years of simming.  It wasn't until three years and two PC builds later (an overclocked, water-cooled quad-core i7-975) that FSX performed well enough to conduct my tubeliner flights on it.  From 2006-2009, I stuck with FS9 for jets, and gradually warmed up to FSX as it and the hardware evolved for GA and helicopter flights.  I didn't actually shelf FS9 until a few more years after that.  And through all those early years I read a steady stream of woeful posts here with people who had thrown their FS9 baby out with the bath water moaning and complaining about what their shiny new FSX was supposed to be...but wasn't.

I'm hopeful that Simzilla won't fall flat on its face at release like FSX did...but based on multiple trips around this merry-go-round, I expect it to be years before Simzilla has the supporting software that makes P3D great today.  That includes not just aircraft and airport add-ons, but advanced weather and weather radar, airport modification tools like ADE, FDE tools like Air Wrench, HID interface management like FSUIPC, ground handling like GSX, updated mag variation data like Herve Sors does for us, etc.

Will Simzilla get there?  Probably.  But not right away.  I still remember the good 'ol days marvelling at how good FSX looked compared to FS9--right before a 180-degree wind shift at altitude shot me down and ruined the flight.  A real Pyrrhic victory...

Considering that MSFS2020 will still have ESP code in it, I wonder how it will work in the 'wild' so to speak.

Everyone around here already knows how it will work "in the wild". It will be absolutely perfect, with flawless performance, a full list of incredible features, the best flight dynamics this side of a NASA simulator, and zero bugs. In fact, it will be so good that it will also include uninstallers for P3D and XPlane....free of charge!

Edited January 24, 20206 yr by Christopher Low

1 hour ago, w6kd said:

It wasn't until three years and two PC builds later (an overclocked, water-cooled quad-core i7-975) that FSX performed well enough to conduct my tubeliner flights on it.  From 2006-2009, I stuck with FS9 for jets, and gradually warmed up to FSX as it and the hardware evolved for GA and helicopter flights.

That is so true. It was the same with me. Why i;m siting back and watching this MSFS development and not throwing my hands in the air doing dances. 🙂

Edited January 24, 20206 yr by Adrian123

Like DJJose has shown again : pr scenery + custom AG looks very realistic.

MSFS uses pr scenery + custom AG.

P3Dv4 looks very good with that. And there are lots and lots addons for it.

MSFS has to start at the bottom, even with all eyecandy. We now have so many addon airports. It will take years to have the same amount for MSFS.

So your current investment will remain good.

And let MSFS surprise us ...

 

MSFS only has to be 60% of what it appears in the promos to exceed current sims. I stopped buying addons and will switch over when it comes out. I am bored with the current sims and all the addons I need to make it look decent.

The MSFS terrain, clouds and even the default aircraft look enough to make this my default sim. Sure there will be problems and bugs but the bar is not exactly high right now. After flying through those 3d clouds and stunning terrain I can't see myself coming back to the legacy sims and the billboard clouds and stale default textures.

Looking forward for the progress. It always comes at a cost. It will be as usual a transition time.