The real problem is and has been users want all the bells and whistles and max out sliders sim to run on a mid range PC, Has never happened and not going to even with MSFS on a high end PC.  

Edited July 1, 20205 yr by G-RFRY

4 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

Indeed but the economic prospect is less good. Orbx decision is not irrational even if I do not like it.  Updating the product mostly born from the good will and enthusiasm of one simmer who has passed away years ago, will be very labor intensive at a time when cashflow in the addon sector has dried up somewhat. If we see the hundreds of them updated it will take time and the FS20 clock is ticking. 

Anyway, as the OP refered to his addons when he requested that we help him to decide, we can say that on July, 1st updating the freeware airports is not in Orbx plan. 

As you correctly pointed out, the freeware airports were a hobby from an altruistic member of the community. As a business, I think their decision not to update is fair. Why should we expect them to sink a costly resource into the labour-intensive process of updating hundreds of airfields for no return?
(That's a rhetorical question and not aimed at you).

Plenty of products have been deprecated since v5 came onto the scene. As frustrating and saddening as that is, not every product gets taken forward (e.g. FSL's Concorde), plus MSFS is forcing developers to prioritise their offerings.


For @haseen, here are some thoughts on upgrading to v5 that I've written before:
https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/577093-p3d-v5-versus-v4-worth-upgrading/?do=findComment&comment=4257079
 

54 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

The real problem is and has been users want all the bells and whistles and max out sliders sim to run on a mid range PC, Has never happened and not going to even with MSFS on a high end PC.  

Exactly. The initial release of V5 was pretty stable, but a combination of the first hotfix issued by LM and a Win 10 update, made it very shaky in terms of stability, even with conservative settings. Hotfix 2 has sorted that problem now, and so long as you don't go mental with the option sliders, V5 delivers a much better sim experience than previous P3D versions which is stable. It is worth bearing in mind however, that the TrueSky weather feature, and Active Sky if people are using these things, are beta features, so it would not be surprising to come across some issues.

This will be no less true with the new MS sim when it comes out. If anyone imagines that their PC which struggles with P3D in terms of VRAM overloads when the option sliders are all pushed over to the right, will somehow miraculously just eat all that stuff up with no problems when running the new MS sim, then they are living in a fantasy land.

At present the people who have access to the new MS will inevitably be using chopped down builds of the sim in order that certain features can be tried out, so a comparison between this and a release candidate of P3D V5 which has been patched, is to compare apples not even to any other fruit, let alone oranges. So although people with access to early builds of the new MS sim who also have P3D V5 can get a rough idea of how the two compare in terms of handling heavy hardware loads, even this can at best only be a rough guess until there is a considerably more finalised version of the new MS sim available, as evidenced by the rather obvious fact that it is not a week away from being released.

I have been using P3D for the past six years, and I used FSX for six years prior to that. However, I am starting to think that I need something fresh and new for the future. I do enjoy flying my 737 NGX in P3Dv4, but the more stutters that I experience in a flight, the more annoyed I get, and the less interested I become. It would be nice to think that I could enjoy stutter free flights over realistic landscapes, and I get the feeling that this is not going to happen if I stick with P3D.

I am keeping an open mind until I have more information about the new MFS, but this is essentially one of the main reasons why I am reluctant to take a gamble on P3Dv5 any time soon.

Edited July 1, 20205 yr by Christopher Low

10 hours ago, JoeFackel said:

The "big O" had also decided not to port over Vector ... we all know the outcome.

What do you mean ? Over at ORBX site there is a product listed Global Vector Prepar 3D V5

2 minutes ago, jfri said:

What do you mean ? Over at ORBX site there is a product listed Global Vector Prepar 3D V5

He said "had" decided.  But then they changed their mind.

13 minutes ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

Because something is "free" doesn't make it any more or less a gamble.

Quoted for posterity.

Even if P3Dv5 were a free update, I wouldn't bother with it at the present time.  I am not interested in the new features it brings, even if all of them worked, and I've already got a stable v4.5.  I'm certainly not going to gamble the price of the new version on the fact that it *might* work on my computer and that I *might* like some of the new features.

For those who love the new features and everything works the way they want and everything they use has been updated to work with the new version, great.  I'm glad.  It's just not for me.

Hook

11 hours ago, G-RFRY said:

The real problem is and has been users want all the bells and whistles and max out sliders sim to run on a mid range PC, Has never happened and not going to even with MSFS on a high end PC.  

You nailed it right on the button, my friend. The first sim capable of this with a true capture of the realism that we long for (and have seen in varying degrees from a variety of sources) will pull users over from other platforms very quickly. And let’s just say, I believe this will happen some day (likely several years out) because we don’t know what the future holds in terms of computer processing technology. Just think back to what the sims looked like on an average computer 5-10 years ago. Incredible advances in memory and processing capabilities pulls us closer and closer to “as real as it gets”.

Nowithstanding that v5 without any addon has been a bit rough for many early adopters, I find, more generally, the following  « common wisdom » of some devotees or consultants a little disconcerting :

- P3D scenery is rather poor, it has no weather engine and its default aircraft are simplistic but  it is just a platform on which you hook addons. And bland as it is at birth, it works beautifully at max settings.

- if you add stuff to make it a nice sim, you have to tone down your ambitions, you, the inconsiderate user, who is the source of all your misery as no computer is able to cope with a P3D fully loaded at max settings. Or you have to dive into complicated parameters by trials and errors and equip yourself with a 30 Hz monitor. Using a 30 Hz monitor, the bottom of the pool is reached. And even then...

This reasoning has an obvious end of line as FS20 will most certainly reshape the expectations of the  simming  community. Hopefully the P3D team is smart enough to move with the times. Or they will go the way of the dodo. Or, rather, should I say the way of the Aces Studio ?

I have simmed with P3D since 2013 when I left FSX. It is a great sim. But the P3D has to work harder to give me and many the desire to stay with them.

Edited July 2, 20205 yr by Dominique_K

Without discussing the alpha directly, it is almost impossible to compare MSFS, P3d5 and XP11. But of the alpha features that have been showcased openly, the MSFS ATC is still weaker than either competitor sim when combined with Pilot2ATC. And the MSFS ATC is also inferior to P3d5 and VOXATC, which is in private beta and due for release soon.

I think that these cross-sim deficiencies in MSFS will become more apparent the closer we get to release. Most will not matter to 99% of potential users. But some features will still need 3rd party add-ons to provide realism.

Just now, jabloomf1230 said:

 But some features will still need 3rd party add-ons to provide realism.

Indeed, I don't believe a minute that FS20 will be self-sufficient in every domain. Asobo has said as much since early on. It willl open enormous markets for addons. ATC is a good example.  Something diferent is that MS or Asobo may themselves  also develop DLC.

9 hours ago, jabloomf1230 said:

 it is almost impossible to compare MSFS, P3d5 and XP11. But of the alpha features that have been showcased openly, the MSFS ATC is still weaker than either competitor sim

I understand why you're saying this but that is one bold statement. Impossible to compare? Show me on ATC that can control Live and AI traffic on the ground or while landing?  Show me an ATC that control nearby Airspace while taxi, show me an ATC that will vector other planes while on approach.

Keep in mind that he was talking about enhanced ATC in the older sims.

Hook

1 hour ago, FPStewy said:

Show me on ATC that can control Live and AI traffic on the ground or while landing?  Show me an ATC that control nearby Airspace while taxi, show me an ATC that will vector other planes while on approach.

UhhVOXATC does all that.

Edited July 2, 20205 yr by jabloomf1230

5 hours ago, jabloomf1230 said:

UhhVOXATC does all that.

https://youtu.be/D4jrjdTTFF0?t=4497

If it does it's really not doing a good job of it. This is just one example and there are many more. Show me one YT vid from someone else where it controls ground, Air space and approach.

https://youtu.be/D4jrjdTTFF0?t=625

Here it tells him to taxi to a helipad.

https://youtu.be/D4jrjdTTFF0?t=1210

Here there's no control of ground taxi

Edited July 3, 20205 yr by FPStewy