Let's put it this way. Xplane 11 has been in one "beta" version after the other and still is ... since March of 2017, three years. and I've had a ball with my "beta' version.'Nuf said.

Randy J

Edited July 13, 20205 yr by united001

1 hour ago, edpatino said:

Those who will be buying this right now will be the real beta testers for the following six months. That’s for sure.

Point to any modern software for which that isn't the case. I'm not saying it's right, but it's the standard. The only software of any kind that I can think of that I didn't encounter some sort of significant bug with was Witcher III, and CDPR is... Very special in that regard. 

Heck, we have software at work that cost us $30,000 for a 7-user license 5 years ago and the bugs *still* aren't worked out. We have another one that was $17k with a 1 user license and it melts down about once a month and takes several days for the vendor to get it back up and running, and this is in a production environment with daily hard deadlines.

Almost nobody carries out a proper beta program anymore - at least, nobody that's selling their software externally rather than developing internally. I wish it would change but, it's not going to because profits.

 

 

 

Edited July 13, 20205 yr by eslader

3 hours ago, OHN767 said:

Seriously, like they are going to fix all the serious bugs in two weeks, this is very weird and dissapointing,  what is going on.

I’m surprised you care since you said an hour before you posted this that your out due to the price and wondered if they lost their minds? 

Well i think its expensive, and if its full of bugs then its not worth that amount of money, im not that much of a fan anymore of flightsims, i been cheated before, and i dont think it will different this time, i remember FSX very well, completely  unplayable unless you were a hardcore fan.

Edited July 14, 20205 yr by OHN767

To those who think the released game will be significantly better and bug free than the alpha:

 

I have been in dozens of beta tests for games. During betas of games with lots of bugs there are always people thinking the final version will have those ironed out. I have never ever seen the release day miracle patch happen in any beta. 

 There have never been any super hidden much more advanced builds. That is just not how software development works. 
 

That said I’m still looking forward to it! 

Edited July 14, 20205 yr by flycln

1 hour ago, OHN767 said:

 im not that much of a fan anymore of flightsims, i been cheated before, and i dont think it will different this time, 

Well if your not much of a fan of flight sims anymore then I’m surprised you spend any time here talking about it or starting posts about it. I don’t mean that in a derogatory way, but I typically don’t spend time reading and posting about stuff that I don’t have much interest in.

In your case, you’ll probably be better off sitting this one out until it’s released and see what the community as a whole says about it. Just like any other sim out there, there will be people who don’t like it and will stick to other sims. 

5 hours ago, OHN767 said:

Seriously, like they are going to fix all the serious bugs in two weeks, this is very weird and dissapointing,  what is going on.

They won't be able to fix anything during the next two weeks. Mainly all that time will be dedicated to pack the product and prepare it for the huge amount of downloads that will come for sure. The alpha finishes by the end of this month, so we'd be buying anything more than an Alpha version.

Cheers, Ed

Maybe MS wants it out before P3D v 5.1....

3 hours ago, flycln said:

To those who think the released game will be significantly better and bug free than the alpha:

 

I have been in dozens of beta tests for games. During betas of games with lots of bugs there are always people thinking the final version will have those ironed out. I have never ever seen the release day miracle patch happen in any beta. 

 There have never been any super hidden much more advanced builds. That is just not how software development works. 
 

That said I’m still looking forward to it! 

I have no idea what type of business you're in, but I'm an internal software tester for a software company, and I have new builds every morning.

Bugs/feature fixes are squashed daily right up until the release candidate freeze. And our external builds are several builds behind the ones we are currently working with...

Yup, we were definitely testing old builds and that's more obvious now with the retail a month away and the fact there's a bunch of new planes that were never included in testing. The beta will probably be the retail version minus some featuresand I assume they'll be using us alpha testers to give the servers a good run before the retail goes live.

Edited July 14, 20205 yr by YVRDXBLHR

Remember - keep 🙂

Edited July 14, 20205 yr by travelabroad

35 minutes ago, YVRDXBLHR said:

we were definitely testing old builds

What would be the point of making the thousands of Alpha testers test an old build?

48 minutes ago, Kopteeni said:

What would be the point of making the thousands of Alpha testers test an old build?

To test the servers and data traffic. They  gave us something to play with, but really not the latest and greatest version IMO. But I'm not complaining, not at all, I'm grateful and lucky to be part of the testing. 
 

-eelis-

Edited July 14, 20205 yr by eelis
typo

9 hours ago, pmb said:

I can only speak for myself, but I will buy it and I don't mind reporting bugs. Based on Prepar3d5, I've acquired some familiarity with this.😉

Kind regards, Michael

 It will be the same for me without hesitation!  

Yes it can not be worse than P3D and XP which are not at all finished. MSFS 2020 will certainly be the best in this category...without too much difficulty.

4 hours ago, edpatino said:

They won't be able to fix anything during the next two weeks. Mainly all that time will be dedicated to pack the product and prepare it for the huge amount of downloads that will come for sure. The alpha finishes by the end of this month, so we'd be buying anything more than an Alpha version.

Cheers, Ed

You have to know, that public alpha isn't the same build, which they have for internal testing. There is exist more aplha or beta builds, which must be much more far, than alpha for public testers. So i don't say, that release version will be bug-less, but i'm sure, that it will be a good surprise.