1 hour ago, LHookins said:

Note:  I haven't purchased yet.

Hook

I thought you’d be first in line to purchase Hook😆

I guess I’ll be getting in at a good time then as in about a year, I’ll finally have good enough high speed internet to fly this beauty.  Meanwhile I’m trying to keep up with all the info out there for when I actually pull the trigger.

Will Microsoft’s flightsimulator.com website post info when they push out updates since they would most likely be automatic ? Not sure if they’re still doing the every Thursday information update thing or if that was just pre release?  It will interesting to see how quickly Asobo makes updates to the sim as I’m sure they have a helluva list going.

I have 5k already set aside ( and the wife doesn’t know about it🤫)

3 minutes ago, pinlifter said:

I thought you’d be first in line to purchase Hook😆

Hehe!  Hook saw what the end of the Beta was like and wanted to get some feedback from the community after release. 😄 There had been rumors of a Magic Build with everything fixed and perfect.  Hook somehow didn't believe it.

OK why am I talking about myself in third person?

You can believe I'll purchase MSFS the very moment A2A aircraft start appearing, and that may be sooner than we think.

Oh, that's right, it's Thursday!  Where's my update?  I want my update!! 😄 

Hook

Sounds like you made a good call!!

Speaking of updates....

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/581339-august-20th-2020-development-update/

 

7 hours ago, fluffyflops said:

oh dont worry so long as there are people like you we will continue to get half baked glitchy unfinished products like this.    

No, it is because of us that you are able to enjoy something beyond version 1.0 of every piece of software ever written. 

Your welcome

Hey A_Tank,

Would you buy a totally new model of a 2021 automobile right out of the showroom:   Brakes are a little soft and spotty, engine misses, causing it to stall sometimes, the wipers don't always clear the rain quite right,  power windows don't always work right, paint job is a little off in places, and there seems to be some kind of short in the electrical system.  So, would you wait a few months for it all to be fixed without complaining? 

Now my analogy is over the top but I think you get my point. 

This flight sim was released way too early for what ever reason by Microsoft - I can conjure up a few.  Some of these bugs should have been already resolved before Aug. 18th. In addition, the download method was also something of a fiasco for many people.  

I myself am indeed going to wait for some of the bug fixes as I'm probably going to need a new rig to run this sim.  So I will wait until at least January 2021 to hop aboard - that should give the Asobo time to remedy some of the complaints,,,  

I think it difficult to compare software like MSFS to hardware like a car. A faulty car actually suffers physical wearing, tearing and damages during the drive that can never be restored to brand new, but there is no such thing in software.

Edited August 21, 20205 yr by FlyIce

While the potential is there, I doubt FS2020 will survive beyond a year due to the lack of mass market support.

What I mean is that Asobo and Microsoft have primarily targeted the mass gamer market with the release of FS2020, it's clear that serious simmers are not their target audience.If FS2020 was to be a serious sim platform, Asobo would have spent more time developing a proper flight model system instead of focusing on eye-candy, which is what draws most casual gamers. 

However, judging from the user reviews on both steam and metacritic, it looks like most gamers can't be bothered anymore with FS2020 thanks to the numerous game-breaking bugs and installation issues. The general sense on the ground is that FS2020 is broken and not ready for release. 

I doubt Microsoft will continue funding this failed project for 10 years as they previously mentioned once the player numbers drop, there is just zero commercial sense to do so. 

The flight sim market is small and Asobo has attempted to remedy that by creating high fidelity graphics in order to draw in the gaming market. However, the poor release has left a bad taste in the mouth and it will be hard to move on from here. 

It's really a pity because FS2020 just had it's priorities wrong right from the onset of development. Flight simming should prioritize flying first and foremost, which Asobo has failed spectacularly.  

FS2020 is really dead on arrival, sadly. 

 

 

 

Edited August 21, 20205 yr by maniamcool

28 minutes ago, maniamcool said:

While the potential is there, I doubt FS2020 will survive beyond a year due to the lack of mass market support.

I sure hope you're wrong. I don't know where I would go do my virtual flying if MSFS died. I just can't imagine going back to XPlane after what I've already experienced in vanilla MSFS...

37 minutes ago, maniamcool said: 

I doubt Microsoft will continue funding this failed project 

 

 

 

Failed project? It literally released 2 days ago... Go an get some fresh air and give your head a wobble.

Edited August 21, 20205 yr by Carts85

Well said Dutch. I have spent thousands of hours in the FS and P3D series, several hundred in X-Plane and there is nothing even close to the masterpiece that is MSFS. It's now a sad fact of life that we will just have put up with demented ravings of the "Me Too" group of simmers who demand everything yesterday and to there own personal specifications!

45 minutes ago, maniamcool said:

While the potential is there, I doubt FS2020 will survive beyond a year due to the lack of mass market support.

What I mean is that Asobo and Microsoft have primarily targeted the mass gamer market with the release of FS2020, it's clear that serious simmers are not their target audience.If FS2020 was to be a serious sim platform, Asobo would have spent more time developing a proper flight model system instead of focusing on eye-candy, which is what draws most casual gamers. 

However, judging from the user reviews on both steam and metacritic, it looks like most gamers can't be bothered anymore with FS2020 thanks to the numerous game-breaking bugs and installation issues. The general sense on the ground is that FS2020 is broken and not ready for release. 

I doubt Microsoft will continue funding this failed project for 10 years as they previously mentioned once the player numbers drop, there is just zero commercial sense to do so. 

The flight sim market is small and Asobo has attempted to remedy that by creating high fidelity graphics in order to draw in the gaming market. However, the poor release has left a bad taste in the mouth and it will be hard to move on from here. 

It's really a pity because FS2020 just had it's priorities wrong right from the onset of development. Flight simming should prioritize flying first and foremost, which Asobo has failed spectacularly.  

FS2020 is really dead on arrival, sadly. 

 

 

 

And you based this diatribe on what? A few demented comments from 12 year olds on the steam forums. My Grandmother is more clued up than you, and she's dead! And, IT'S NOT A GAME!!!

Edited August 21, 20205 yr by SierraHotel

Im sure it's been raised countless times you can more money out of 'gamers' than 'flight simmers'.    And there's a difference hence why its taken so long for Microsoft to do ms2020.   It's a big punt.   Hence why all the marketing and an early beta release. 

I hope its got potential,  I really do.  But they need to fix the bugs.  3 days in I still can't even install the bugger along with alot of other people. 

1 hour ago, fluffyflops said:

Im sure it's been raised countless times you can more money out of 'gamers' than 'flight simmers'.    And there's a difference hence why its taken so long for Microsoft to do ms2020.   It's a big punt.   Hence why all the marketing and an early beta release. 

I hope its got potential,  I really do.  But they need to fix the bugs.  3 days in I still can't even install the bugger along with alot of other people. 

most of these issues are at the user end as always, badly updated sytems, lacking components, etc etc

its more windos x issue than a flightsim issue.

the ppl that had a smooth installation, fly happily. no need to come to whiny forums.

13 hours ago, fluffyflops said:

oh dont worry so long as there are people like you we will continue to get half baked glitchy unfinished products like this.    

Your a dream to developers, willing to give them your hard earned money on the basis you might get hit by a truck tomorrow, so they can trot out a half finished product.

Id sign up to be a beta tester for daves lot at aerosoft ot Simbols lot at P3d. they will snap you quick

 

 

Well - working as a development manager since many years myself I can tell you that people that have good manners and report serious bugs in a structured and positive way without "screaming" always gets better treatment than "the other bunch". I happen to know some development managers at major game studios and forums filled with negative people makes the developers loose interest quickly in reading it themselves but instead let the community managers handle it...

34 minutes ago, wim123 said:

most of these issues are at the user end as always, badly updated sytems, lacking components, etc etc

its more windos x issue than a flightsim issue.

the ppl that had a smooth installation, fly happily. no need to come to whiny forums.

No doubt there is a lot of this, but not in all cases. It's just a PC platform thing, with so many variables. Go and look at the PC release of the AAA title Horizon Zero Dawn to see how even the best gaming titles suffer the same thing on release. My experience with MSFS has been amazing so far, with a smooth (DVD) install and only one CTD after many hours hopping around the globe. Even on our slow 10Mbps connection the scenery streams in with no issues. So I have had no need to moan or even visit Avsim much, which is always a doom and gloom forum of misery, as I have been in a near state of jaw dropping amazement since my first flight.

I'm very confident the genuine issues will be ironed out quickly and this will mature into into an absolute beast of a sim platform. There is no way in hell I will go back to XP or P3D. If MSFS goes then I'll be finding another hobby 😄

Edited August 21, 20205 yr by Novation