NIght lighting is fatal- Asobo please read

[sd_flyer 6,042]

18 minutes ago, AmeliaCat said:

lol how high are you flying? 

First vid from ~2500ft MSL on ILS. In the second I think we flew around 5000 ft MSL CRQ-CNO-CRQ

[AmeliaCat 201]

Just now, sd_flyer said:

First vid from ~2500ft MSL on ILS. In the second I think we flew around 5000 ft MSL CRQ-CNO-CRQ

i meant for you to get hypoxia

[sd_flyer 6,042]

20 minutes ago, AmeliaCat said:

lol how high are you flying? 

Also worth mentioning  at night one can get hypoxic at night above 5000 6000 ft MSL

[sd_flyer 6,042]

2 minutes ago, AmeliaCat said:

i meant for you to get hypoxia

I replied above

[Alvega 2,124]

1 hour ago, ShawnG said:

To be fair, the previous lighting was done by the same crew.  They did this because the community complained about it.  One of these days, Asobo will realize that the community doesn’t know what it wants...

I don't think the community asked them to make the lights bigger and brighter, just to remove the sepia mask.

Edited October 30, 2020 by Alvega

[HiFlyer 9,359]

1 hour ago, Alvega said:

On the second one you can see the highway lights 30 miles away and I think the lights are too strong. For me the first one is more realistic.

What do you guys think?

I think we should get over it.

The original lighting had a minority (like me) who were fine with it, faced with pages of people claiming it was the fuggliest thing ever, etc, etc..... (too many red lights, etc)

Now Asobo has gone and changed it, as per demand, and the same number of people are complaining that its the fuggliest thing ever, etc, etc.

The fact (I believe) is, that pretty much no matter what they do, there will be people unhappy about it and demanding change.

The question is, how many times should they comply before realizing that trying to please everyone is futile?

[ryanbatc 12,851]

2 hours ago, robert young said:

Agreed. Those white blobs remind me of Flight 1's Ultimate Terrain which attempted similar blobs - of white, and red, in random places. It wasn't bad considering it was TEN years ago. This is going to be a divided subject. Some like bright blobs because it is....bright. For me the previous lighting was subtle...not perfect but at least elegant. City lights are still largely amber, NOT white, but I must be living in a parallel universe if others think the world is full of white blobs at night 

I haven't updated yet (doing it now) but this is my thought too after seeing those comparison shots.  I think people forget what nighttime actually looks like in a plane....and base their expectations more on how they think it should look vs other sims or previous products.  Additionally, a LOT of night photos in real life are overexposed...  because it's cool to show off a big city with bright lights and pretty colors...its more "dramatic."  I've done a little flying at night in a small plane...and the After pics above look way wrong...waaaaay too many light "orbs" visible.  My best friend, who flies for a major airline here also noted the over-done lighting when I had my sim setup a few months back.  IRL, even large airports are basically black holes in a muddy sea of dim lighting.

This video approaching EGLL is an awesome exposure of actual lights (in a big city).  I'm actually impressed the video wasn't overexposed like they usually are.

 

Edited October 30, 2020 by ryanbatcund

[Snuffleupagus 327]

2 hours ago, Alvega said:

Here is a comparison before and after the patch:

 

Before

 

After

 

On the second one you can see the highway lights 30 miles away and I think the lights are too strong. For me the first one is more realistic.

What do you guys think?

I’d have to agree. I do absolutely love the distance of the lights in the second, but it lost its touch. I’ve done a lot of night flying in real life and if they could find the right mix of the two, it’d be awesome. Definitely too bright of light bulbs! The lights look to over power the rest of the night landscape. Bummer

Edited October 30, 2020 by pvupilot

[Snuffleupagus 327]

8 minutes ago, ryanbatcund said:

IRL, even large airports are basically black holes in a muddy sea of dim lighting.

This video approaching EGLL is an awesome exposure of actual lights (in a big city).  I'm actually impressed the video wasn't overexposed like they usually are.

 

Yep! The best way to find the airport when flying at night is to look for the black space in the city. Not even kidding, airports are CRAZY dark unless you’re lined up and somewhat close. 
That video is a little darker than what most of the night flying looks with your eyes though. But not by much...

Edited October 30, 2020 by pvupilot

[ryanbatc 12,851]

Just now, pvupilot said:

Yep! The best way to find the airport when flying at night is to look for the black space in the city. Not even kidding, airports are CRAZY dark unless you’re lined up and somewhat close. 
That video is a little darker than what most of the night flying looks with your eyes though.

I'd say it's spot on haha...I guess our eyes are a little different.  Though maybe you have more experience closer to the ground?  I'm not sure what altitude they are at in that video...3000-4000 ft?  Looks perfect for me...but I've never flown over a city as huge as London at night.

[Snuffleupagus 327]

6 minutes ago, ryanbatcund said:

I'd say it's spot on haha...I guess our eyes are a little different.  Though maybe you have more experience closer to the ground?  I'm not sure what altitude they are at in that video...3000-4000 ft?  Looks perfect for me...but I've never flown over a city as huge as London at night.

This is one I took a little while back, not so much for t he city light brightness per say, but you can totally see how bright the roads are in contrast! 
https://youtu.be/al4jQhHrIHY

Need to start at the 4:54 mark. And at 5:57 you can see the main roads way in the distance. 
But yeah, the higher you go it definitely gets dimmer!

Edited October 30, 2020 by pvupilot

[ryanbatc 12,851]

1 minute ago, pvupilot said:

This is one I took a little while back, not so much for t he city light brightness per say, but you can totally see how bright the roads are in contrast! 
https://youtu.be/al4jQhHrIHY

Need to start at the 4:54 mark. 

I think that's pretty good for my eyeballs (and the scenery is a lot taller than where I fly here in the midwest haha).  I still think the "Before" pic had more correct lighting.  There's a few different variables at play too....you're lower in your video and as you cross over some of those streets you can look at a straight line of lights.  You should send that video off to Asobo...it's probably one of the better ones representing real night lighting.  I'd like to see something like that after sunset too.

[Snuffleupagus 327]

4 minutes ago, ryanbatcund said:

I think that's pretty good for my eyeballs (and the scenery is a lot taller than where I fly here in the midwest haha).  I still think the "Before" pic had more correct lighting.  There's a few different variables at play too....you're lower in your video and as you cross over some of those streets you can look at a straight line of lights.  You should send that video off to Asobo...it's probably one of the better ones representing real night lighting.  I'd like to see something like that after sunset too.

The different angles do have a lot to do with it, that’s true. I do agree that the before was more correct, now if they could just extend that draw distance of the before! I may send it off to them over the weekend and see what happens. Would love to be able to help if possible. 

[Virtual-Chris 682]

2 hours ago, ShawnG said:

To be fair, the previous lighting was done by the same crew.  They did this because the community complained about it.  One of these days, Asobo will realize that the community doesn’t know what it wants...

True. This is why we can’t have nice things.

The main difference I’m seeing is much better LOD on street lights in the distance. Wasn’t the lack of LOD one of the top complaints earlier?

[ShawnG 1,823]

1 hour ago, Alvega said:

I don't think the community asked them to make the lights bigger and brighter, just to remove the sepia mask.

sure, but the sepia mask was the only thing showing light past the original lod radius,  would have also been hysterical drama on the boards if they didn't do something to correct that.

 

Unpopular opinion:  both lighting options are perfectly fine and the best ever seen in the msfs franchise by a long, long margin.  If you made me pick, I would take the first version, but I just did a flight in NYC in the pouring rain at night, and it was pretty special.