4 hours ago, bendead said:

I am sorry, but after many month of development and 3 month since release, when you see the state of the AP with the latest patch, nearly 1 min to do the last 30 degrees in a turn, there is a problem.

I haven't noticed any degradation of the AP with the last patch. I flew a couple low altitude IFR flights since the last update. Todays with the Turbo Bonanza from KTEK to KPGA and the AP performed flawlessly, including the RNAV 33 approach flying it down to minimums before I took over. Maybe they bonked it on something else, but the Bonanza Turbo with the Working Title G1000 is no worse than it has been for me and may even perform a little better.

7 minutes ago, Phantoms said:

I haven't noticed any degradation of the AP with the last patch. I flew a couple low altitude IFR flights since the last update. Todays with the Turbo Bonanza from KTEK to KPGA and the AP performed flawlessly, including the RNAV 33 approach flying it down to minimums before I took over. Maybe they bonked it on something else, but the Bonanza Turbo with the Working Title G1000 is no worse than it has been for me and may even perform a little better.

Fly an ILS app, It's borked. You can't capture the glideslope because it takes far too long to turn and intercept the course.

8 minutes ago, Phantoms said:

I haven't noticed any degradation of the AP with the last patch. I flew a couple low altitude IFR flights since the last update. Todays with the Turbo Bonanza from KTEK to KPGA and the AP performed flawlessly, including the RNAV 33 approach flying it down to minimums before I took over. Maybe they bonked it on something else, but the Bonanza Turbo with the Working Title G1000 is no worse than it has been for me and may even perform a little better.

That's nice to know. But the fact is that it takes a very long time to fly a simple heading change. All aircraft now roll out of a heading change far too early, taking up to half a minute to achieve the last 5 degrees and up to a minute to achieve the last 15-20 degrees. This is bonkers and (as usual) is a ridiculously exaggerated response to other aircraft that had a/p problems inherent to their own flight model.

When I fly  and I want to sight-see beautiful landscape and landmarks, I fly MSFS2020. When I want to fly a complex aircraft with accurate autopilot and systems, etc., I fly P3Dv5 or XPlane 11.

MSFS2020 has not reached a point of maturity to handle complex aircraft yet, but it will and the Asobo team deserve great respect and appreciation within the community for what they have accomplished thus far. No one here ever dreamed that a flight sim could be so beautiful and festinating to explore.

Ok, I took the Cirrus up for a quick test with no mods and now understand what's talking about now. I mistakenly thought the issue was of a feature of the AP was broken and not it's actual course corrections being degraded. I guess with long flights and slower GA I didn't pay attention enough to noticed it had changed to be even slower in it's course corrections.

12 minutes ago, Phantoms said:

Ok, I took the Cirrus up for a quick test with no mods and now understand what's talking about now. I mistakenly thought the issue was of a feature of the AP was broken and not it's actual course corrections being degraded. I guess with long flights and slower GA I didn't pay attention enough to noticed it had changed to be even slower in it's course corrections.

The change in turn rate doesn’t make auto flight or ILS approach capture impossible - they still work. But, it complicates matters. The issue will be worse with faster aircraft, or with significant course changes, or with a strong crosswind, or when trying to intercept a localizer at something other than a very shallow angle.

We have two parallel worlds - one a very good, polite and extremely open image of Asobo company, created by marketing department, and another world with the expensive but broken application which looks like flight simulator and getting worse after each update. In a such situation I respect the highly professional Marketing Department only! 😄

P.S. And don't forget - here is THE REAL FS2020 FACE (don't click it doesn't play)😂

Edited November 28, 20205 yr by OSM

9 hours ago, Phantoms said:

I haven't noticed any degradation of the AP with the last patch.

Then you haven't been looking at the AP behavior. The way that the AP handles turns now at waypoints is not only different but unrealistic. This new behavior has been widely reported and I'm sure that the next patch will fix it. But that's not the point. It's becoming harder to understand where much of the code in MSFS came from originally. As others have pointed out here, real world AP logic isn't that complicated. It's orders of magnitude simpler than say for example, accurate ATC logic. At least with the stock MSFS ATC logic, it's obvious that it's based on FSX code and thus Asobo has an excuse if the ATC behavior isn't realistic.

Asobo seems to fix one thing which subsequently breaks something else. 

9 hours ago, OSM said:

P.S. And don't forget - here is THE REAL FS2020 FACE (don't click it doesn't play)

Back in the early 90`s, when there was no internet, people had to fight their way for beeing shown in the television (movies and films), moreover only the ones were chosen, that fitted well.

Today, some YouTuber`s don`t realize when it`s better to hide their FACE.

It is heart breaking to me that this sim is visually so gorgeous that it nearly fulfills my long lasting dream to be a pilot. And yet, Asobo somehow manages to break something in almost every patch. Who could honestly say, that a patch has been a truly success and the sim has gone forward and become better? In any point? Now my A320NX has been in a hangar for several days because of the broken autopilot. I wonder, is there any proper quality control in there?   

36 minutes ago, Virtpilot said:

It is heart breaking to me that this sim is visually so gorgeous that it nearly fulfills my long lasting dream to be a pilot. And yet, Asobo somehow manages to break something in almost every patch. Who could honestly say, that a patch has been a truly success and the sim has gone forward and become better? In any point? Now my A320NX has been in a hangar for several days because of the broken autopilot. I wonder, is there any proper quality control in there?   

😂😂😂

1 hour ago, Virtpilot said:

It is heart breaking to me that this sim is visually so gorgeous that it nearly fulfills my long lasting dream to be a pilot. And yet, Asobo somehow manages to break something in almost every patch. Who could honestly say, that a patch has been a truly success and the sim has gone forward and become better? In any point? Now my A320NX has been in a hangar for several days because of the broken autopilot. I wonder, is there any proper quality control in there?   

At this point I’m just asking for the release version back. It’s been horrible ever since the Japan update. 

34 minutes ago, UAL4life said:

At this point I’m just asking for the release version back. It’s been horrible ever since the Japan update. 

If we could run any version, it would be interesting to see what release people felt was best. 

At the very least, we shouldn’t be forced to update. I would still be happily flying on the previous release right now. As it is, I’m grounded and moved on to other hobbies. 

ps. Asobo has my respect, but they’re starting to lose it. 

Edited November 28, 20205 yr by Virtual-Chris

If they want respect, they must demonstrate it back to their customers, not just keep saying the usual corporate weasel words.  People need to be honest for any level of respect to be given, and I am beginning to doubt it on some levels.

E.g. Don't keep showing all of these pretty videos with the fancy water masks that we don't have (although apparently it is due to lag on the servers 🙄)  Along with other nice improvements that their sim seems to have in the videos (I wouldn't mind their Golden Gate Bridge for example). 😁

Apparently, the nice water masks are coming!  Yes, coming soon!  Maybe about a month away!  Funny how we have seen their great videos from the start (4 or 5 months old).  But then they blame Bing for updating them without their knowledge and 'overwriting' them all - Well it hasn't affected their version they use to make the videos!  Whether they mean to or not, it is all starting to sound like BS. 

Just recently, I am beginning to think something doesn't seem right, and maybe I am a bit naive in being so slow.  The patch notes are really vague, and they keep claiming they aren't altering things that they obviously do in some way.
There are always things changed, for better or for worse, that aren't in the patch notes.  How difficult would it be to do decent notes?  Maybe that is why things go wrong so often. Do they know who is doing what.  (I have my own theory on this in another thread). 

By the way, Jetman67, I know you mean well, you really do, but you asking for respect for them really won't work.  Like I say, it has to be earned, and then we will then give it feely.  I think you do it out of some fear of them giving up maybe if we give them too much criticism, but believe me, with the positions they are in, they have thick skins, and it is always the money that will dictate how well this sim progresses in the future, not just down to the 'passion' or danger of fragile personalities getting hurt due to criticism.  We should all know by now, it always comes down to money in the main.  While there is more money to be made (by the paid DLC we will soon hear about no doubt), they will keep going.

They have a degree of respect from me just due to the way they started and where they got the sim to, but just lately, it is starting to erode away.  That is down to them, not me or us.

Edited November 28, 20205 yr by bobcat999

I believe the Asobo MSFS team is working hard and doing the best they can. And that, unfortunately, seems to be the problem. While the visual graphics are amazing, their best has not proven to be good enough in some critical areas because they apparently lack the necessary flight sim perspective and experience. As one tiny inconsequential example you only have to look at the large, clunky tool tips or POI indicators or blue taxi arrows -- do they reflect an understating and appreciation for the importance of flight sim immersion, or the in-your-face graphics of a typical shoot-em up video game? The recent and much more important problems with aircraft control sensitivities and systems and autopilot behavior are further indications of a lack of flight sim experience. MS is in overall charge of the MSFS development and they are ultimately responsible for the quality of the product. It is from MS that we bought MSFS. They need to step in and hire a team of flight sim 'experts' to assist the hard working team at Asobo. I understand Asobo is working with Aerosoft, but the results to date indicates that collaboration has proven to be insufficient for whatever reasons.

Al

Edited November 28, 20205 yr by ark