3 minutes ago, filou said:

Start by asking yourself the question before even thinking of questioning me.

That is all very severe filou.  Are you saying we should not complain to the developers?  What do you think is going wrong, and what should we do?

28 minutes ago, ryanbatcund said:

The SDK is broken, firstly for aircraft devs, but also for utilities, such as GTN/GNS and Active Sky.

Many have already switched gears over to MSFS only to find an incomplete SDK.

Is it broken or incomplete? Very candid question, I'm not a developer so I would not know myself.

There must be something good in it also considering how easy it seems to develop great looking scenery or small planes, the Jabiru for example is a little jewel. 

1 minute ago, bobcat999 said:

That is all very severe filou.  Are you saying we should not complain to the developers?  What do you think is going wrong, and what should we do?

Don't reverse the roles and comments on the issues concerned deserve as much determination?.What is the final project in all this?

Ok, I returned to this flight sim having not used any since the first version decades ago.... The sim looked simply stunning, and i felt i wanted to enjoy the taking part in it. Being stuck at home due to medical issues, this was a great way for me to to spend my time. I fully expected some issiues, but whats causing the most frustration is the slow decline of the basic  aircraft. Infact where the A320 is concerned it actually worked better at launch.

Sorry if that does not fit your agenda, have a nice day!

Edited November 30, 20205 yr by Car147

2 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

That is all very severe filou.  Are you saying we should not complain to the developers?  What do you think is going wrong, and what should we do?

I have been trying to follow his replies but I admit there is a bit of a language barrier for me, in totally understanding what he's writing.

But I feel like he's writing that we are being stupid to oppose the view that everything is fine and everything is working.

I'm a pilot and air traffic controller IRL.  I fly simulators because I love an accurate representation of the things I do IRL.  MSFS is NOT accurate at the moment...and very full of game breaking bugs.  Some users are not seeking the realism and are also not aware of how things should work.

3 minutes ago, filou said:

Don't reverse the roles and comments on the issues concerned deserve as much determination?.What is the final project in all this?

Alright.  Maybe something is lost in translation, but I really don't understand - not your fault. 👍

3 minutes ago, ryanbatcund said:

I have been trying to follow his replies but I admit there is a bit of a language barrier for me, in totally understanding what he's writing.

But I feel like he's writing that we are being stupid to oppose the view that everything is fine and everything is working.

I'm a pilot and air traffic controller IRL.  I fly simulators because I love an accurate representation of the things I do IRL.  MSFS is NOT accurate at the moment...and very full of game breaking bugs.  Some users are not seeking the realism and are also not aware of how things should work.

You understand the language barrier very well .In this case if you do not find what you expect with MSFS (what you knew before investing in MSFS) change the activity.

1 minute ago, filou said:

if you do not find what you expect with MSFS (what you knew before investing in MSFS) change the activity.

You heard the man. Everyone not happy with MSFS start flying something else! 😁😁😇

6 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

Alright.  Maybe something is lost in translation, but I really don't understand - not your fault. 👍

It's not your fault either but I know you understood the most important thing.

13 minutes ago, peroni said:

Is it broken or incomplete? Very candid question, I'm not a developer so I would not know myself.

There must be something good in it also considering how easy it seems to develop great looking scenery or small planes, the Jabiru for example is a little jewel. 

Broken and incomplete.  The Jabiru is a simple aircraft...  Those types of addons are always readily available (Carenado / Dino's planes etc).  They use the basic avionics, have default systems etc.  Doesn't mean the add-on isn't fun though.

Both RXP and HiFi have said the SDK won't allow access to the sim for their utilities.  PMDG has sort of said this, but they are directly working with Asobo, so are not about to say how poorly the SDK is implemented.

17 minutes ago, peroni said:

Is it broken or incomplete? Very candid question, I'm not a developer so I would not know myself.

There must be something good in it also considering how easy it seems to develop great looking scenery or small planes, the Jabiru for example is a little jewel. 

Its far far FAR from being broken. There are amazing features and stuff on it. Of course, its not a 100% complete, but you can already do amazing things with it. 

3 minutes ago, Janov said:

You heard the man. Everyone not happy with MSFS start flying something else! 😁😁😇

Thank you.

For some people the simplest decisions are the most difficult to find.

I have no idea why people keep proposing this idea of 'it's a flight simulator,' therefore somehow that justifies what's on display.

Imagine you bought a new car, which developed a whine from the rear wheel. So you take it back to the dealer and they 'fix' it. So you get the car back, and the whine is fixed but in the process they've done something so that the radio won't turn on. So you take the car back and complain, and they promise that it'll be rectified in the next fix. So they 'fix' it, you get the car back, and the radio still won't turn on and now your headlights don't work.

Can you imagine how hard you'd laugh if the dealer told you 'well you'll own this car for 10 years, so this is a 10 year project, we're all in this together and you should be patient.' The dealer would look like the world's biggest tool if they tried to make that argument, and you'd be comprehensively and monumentally stupid to accept that argument and go home with your wonky car.

But somehow, because this is a 'flight simulator,' it gets a pass on basic functionality. What do people think? That when gaming engines and modelling tools 'sense' a flight simulator being made they start acting funny? That it turns your screen upside down and insults your wife? It's a piece of software, developed on other bits of software that made the publisher and owner of the game a one trillion dollar software company. Flight simulators aren't some magic bits of software for which the basics of coding and creation don't apply. They're programs in the way that Photoshop, or Excel is a program. People bring up FSX with a 'well this is what flight simulators are like' rubbish. No it's not, that what FSX was like and that was utter garbage until third parties somehow managed to wrangle it into something acceptable.

Edited November 30, 20205 yr by 2reds2whites

2 minutes ago, ryanbatcund said:

Broken and incomplete.  The Jabiru is a simple aircraft...  Those types of addons are always readily available (Carenado / Dino's planes etc).  They use the basic avionics, have default systems etc.  Doesn't mean the add-on isn't fun though.

Both RXP and HiFi have said the SDK won't allow access to the sim for their utilities.  PMDG has sort of said this, but they are directly working with Asobo, so are not about to say how poorly the SDK is implemented.

The Jabiru look simple, but its not quite as simple as we might think. There are nice lines of codes in there. From the custom Tablet to the custom XPDR. 🙂

LOL completely opposite pont of views

3 minutes ago, ryanbatcund said:

Broken and incomplete.  The Jabiru is a simple aircraft...  Those types of addons are always readily available (Carenado / Dino's planes etc).  They use the basic avionics, have default systems etc.  Doesn't mean the add-on isn't fun though.

Both RXP and HiFi have said the SDK won't allow access to the sim for their utilities.  PMDG has sort of said this, but they are directly working with Asobo, so are not about to say how poorly the SDK is implemented

 

1 minute ago, leprechaunlive said:

Its far far FAR from being broken. There are amazing features and stuff on it. Of course, its not a 100% complete, but you can already do amazing things with it.