Any first adopters? 🙂

https://secure.simmarket.com/lionheart-creations-trinidad-tb-21-gt-msfs-edition-msfs.phtml

Edited January 27, 20215 yr by sd_flyer

23 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Any first adopters? 🙂

https://secure.simmarket.com/lionheart-creations-trinidad-tb-21-gt-msfs-edition-msfs.phtml

Nope.  Anything looking like later FS9 or early FSX I'll take a pass on.  Nothing but high quality for this sim.

3 minutes ago, Dillon said:

Nope.  Anything looking like later FS9 or early FSX I'll take a pass on.  Nothing but high quality for this sim.

Have the same feeling

There is eyebrow rising disclimber

"

BUGS AND ISSUES:

Presently Doors are inoperative.  This is a known Asobo issue and hopefully repaired soon.
Some flashing from materials might appear at certain angles of sunlight.  This should be updated soon.
The instrument panel lights are 'always on' at night.  Asobo presently do not have a way to turn off 2D XML Instrumentation that feature light mapping.  Hopefully this will be updated soon in the simulator.
You 'might' need to use Control-E for engine starts.  A bug that is industry wide is reporting starting issues on some addon planes with some computers."

3 minutes ago, Dillon said:

Nope.  Anything looking like later FS9 or early FSX I'll take a pass on.  Nothing but high quality for this sim.

i DONT think it looks that bad tbh

1 minute ago, leprechaunlive said:

i DONT think it looks that bad tbh

The cockpit looks hideous... 

Just now, Dillon said:

The cockpit looks hideous... 

i honestly dont see that, but im not familiar with the plane either. The disclaimer @sd_flyer quoted is extremely strange tho.

Yeah my first impression of the cockpit wasn't "hideous" but to each their own...looks like an interesting little aircraft, something different for sure.  Biggest thing I don't like the looks of are the very bright gauge lights, not sure if that's what the disclaimer is referring to but it's certainly possible to turn down gauge lights in other MSFS aircraft.  Will be interested to see if anyone gives it a shot.

Edited January 28, 20215 yr by regis9

Pass!.

Cheers, Ed

A pass for me, texture, cockpit model, lightning and 2D gauges are not great, but for 21 euros, it's not acceptable

This is a surprise. I hope that Lionheart brings us the the Learjet 24B.

BTW, I might get it. I'm a fan of Bill's work.

Edited January 28, 20215 yr by DJJose

I once flew a TB20 halfway around Australia on a crazy whim "road trip", so when they were released I bought both the Just Flight TB10/20 and the Lionheart TB21 for P3D without another thought. From what I remember, the JF planes were reasonably enjoyable and close to real world numbers, the TB21 oth nowhere near it. And the looks ... straight out of FSX. I'll pass. I guess I lost my impulsiveness lol

Edited January 28, 20215 yr by gunther

Bought it. I like to support Lionheart because they make a Bellanca Viking, and that's great. I've also had their TB-10/20s before for other sims, and the Just Flight ones as well, because like the Viking, the TB-20/21 is a great aeroplane, as is the TB-10.

The installer caused problems when trying to install on my SSD's F drive, necessitating a few goes to get it to install properly, which I eventually managed to do by installing to a fake Community folder on the C drive, and then transferring that install to the F drive's real Community folder. So that could be better, but, it worked, so not a showstopper.

The manual has the usual Lionheart annoying bible thumping proselytising going on, which I can do without. If the developer wants to believe the entire universe was created by a magic sky wizard with questionable moral standards, then that's up to him, but I don't want to read about it in a PDF about a simulated aeroplane unless it has a function which can convert it into an ark; otherwise it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. And I especially object to having that claptrap forced on me when I've paid for a product. This developer really needs to knock that stuff off.

On to the actual aeroplane. This is very nice. It does the real thing justice with an interior which, whilst not to everyone's taste in terms of styling, is what the real things are like since they had that slightly cack mid-eighties car interior styling going on, with everything in binnacles and the panels wrapping around you. If you've ever had a Porsche 924, you'll be familiar with all that badly-dated styling and it's well represented here and does look like a real TB-20, since they have loads of grey plastic everywhere with a heavy sand grain texture that traps dirt like it is going out of fashion, and looks just like it does in this simulated version.

The plane won't start manually, you can do all the correct switching and stuff, but it needs a final Control+E to actually crank. The avionics are serviceable and work as well as they do in any other default GA aeroplane although the pitot heat did not appear to be working since I lost the ASI when I got to altitude.

All the speeds and turn/roll rates look to be on the money and it does a pretty good spin if you allow it to. It has good engine sounds and interior cockpit sounds and the haptics of the real thing are well simulated, with its slightly unusual buttons and dials. All the cockpit and panel lighting works although as noted earlier in this thread, the instruments remain lit in daylight and the dials are not super duper sharp 3D, but they do look pretty okay for all that.

It can do the same thing the Piaggio/Focke-Wulf P-149 does, i.e. have the pilots appear outside the model, but a flight restart sorts that out. Here's a picture of that anomaly here on the Trinidad, if you've not seen it on the P-149:

On the whole if you like the TB-20/21, or if you aren't that familiar with it but fancy something a bit different which can cruise at 200+ mph up at 25,000 feet, then it's worth a look and hopefully some patches will improve it further.

Note too that although these screenies are nearly all of the same aeroplane, it comes with a load of different paint jobs with lots of nations represented in terms of registration numbers, so there's a good chance there'll be one for your particular neck of the woods if that's important to you, and there's loads of different paint schemes as well.

If you've never had a TB-20 in your sim and are wondering how this might fit in your virtual hangar, I can tell you that it's a really good long-range IFR tourer, well-suited to night flying and poor weather operations, with a turn of speed which puts it in a class above most GA singles, since it can climb above poor weather pretty quickly. It would be a good choice for a circumnavigation or some long range exploration if you have that in mind.

So in short, at just over 20 quid, even in spite of the odd issue, in my opinion it's worth having.

Edited January 28, 20215 yr by Chock

Thank you Chock for this feedback.

I love this aircraft series, I used to fly the TB-9 in real life, on which I passed my PPL exam some years ago. I used to enjoy the JustFlight TB-10/20 for FSX so I was about to jump on this product to buy it. But the "bugs" described here (engine start and panel lighting) make me think this is an FSX port, which is not acceptable for this price.

If you can't adjust the panel lighting, it is a showstopper for me. MSFS made it possible, very well done, so now I cannot fly without this...

This is just my opinion 🙂

This looks like a simple port-over. I can not see any advantage over the P3D version I have, no better texturing, no better reflections, strange gauges, utterly strange reflections at the propeller cone. No, sorry. The P3D variant was fun, nicely done and I flew it a lot, but this one? Never ever, way to expensive for what it is...

20 minutes ago, Rocky said:

If you can't adjust the panel lighting, it is a showstopper for me. MSFS made it possible, very well done, so now I cannot fly without this...

This is just my opinion 🙂

I suspect you meant instrument lighting, but just to be clear, you can adjust the panel lighting and the cockpit lighting etc, it's the backlights on the instrument dials which are permanently on.

I agree with you that it probably is either a port over or at the very least heavily based upon the assets of a preceding version given that some stuff appears to be busted. A few developers appear to have done this as a 'dipping their toes in'/'learning experience' for MSFS development, and so personally I can forgive a bit of mayhem in this regard in view of the limited SDK support at present. But that said, it's ironic the developer of P3D and FSX stuff perhaps slammed more than any other for busted stuff - Carenado - appear to have figured out opening doors, working instrument lights and so on!

I'll be watching with interest to see how patches for this turn out, or if they even show up at all. In the interim, there's nothing so busted on it that I won't fly it and enjoy it.

Edited January 28, 20215 yr by Chock