From my test flights (catching localizer and glideslope) I can tell that:

- the HSI is linked to NAV1 (somehow understandably) and shows only localizer (glideslope indication is missing even though the aircraft receives the GS signal and follows it down when on autopilot)

- top right VOR indicator is also linked to NAV1 (indicates NAV and GS on the dial when there is reception of the two; no flags), but the needles do not move at all

- bottom right VOR indicator is probably linked to NAV2 (at least it is not linked to NAV1) but the GNS430 does not give info to the instrument; so this VOR indicator does not react to anything

(- an HSI and two VOR indicator are perhaps a bit too much; an HSI and one VOR indicator would be enough, IMHO)

Bill as aware of the issues above and I keep fingers crossed for him to be able to address them because it is a nice aircraft overall.

Edited February 5, 20215 yr by apollon01

I feel like we are paying for someone to learn how to do aircraft for MSFS. To be honest aircraft is complete mess even after several patches. I still get electrical failure after 40 minutes of flight. Oh yeah I can open the door now LOL

2 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

 I still get electrical failure after 40 minutes of flight. 

According to the MS forums there is a hotfix for the electrical issues on the dev's Facebook page but it has not made it to a patch yet.

Download link for the updated config files:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pTJENvRS0azVCscTEbnBaWRejSYXFaNx/view

 

15 hours ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

Download link for the updated config files:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pTJENvRS0azVCscTEbnBaWRejSYXFaNx/view

 

Am i missing something? I can't download or open anything there. 🤨

Disregard. Problem solved. 🙂

Edited February 6, 20215 yr by ThomseN_inc

16 hours ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

Download link for the updated config files:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pTJENvRS0azVCscTEbnBaWRejSYXFaNx/view

 

Have been watching this aircraft/discussion evolve & pondering if it is worth purchasing now.

I have always liked Lionheart aircraft from P3D back to FSX. Not always the prettiest, but good FDE's.

Can the TB21 Autopilot work for Altitude & Heading Hold inputs made via Keyboard mappings? 

T45

I bought this aircraft. It takes some getting used to. For those who own this version, please advise on how to align the heading indicator with the compass. My display is 180 degrees out of whack.

Anyone know why the pilot and copilot are reversed?

Everything in me knows the Mooney is a better option (I already own it), but I can't stop flying this plane - guess it's just the fact that it's something new.

I don't find it to be horrible, and with a little TLC it'll be fine - right now it's fun to fly, just a little rough around the edges.

On 1/28/2021 at 12:05 AM, Chock said:

Bought it. I like to support Lionheart because they make a Bellanca Viking, and that's great. I've also had their TB-10/20s before for other sims, and the Just Flight ones as well, because like the Viking, the TB-20/21 is a great aeroplane, as is the TB-10.

The installer caused problems when trying to install on my SSD's F drive, necessitating a few goes to get it to install properly, which I eventually managed to do by installing to a fake Community folder on the C drive, and then transferring that install to the F drive's real Community folder. So that could be better, but, it worked, so not a showstopper.

The manual has the usual Lionheart annoying bible thumping proselytising going on, which I can do without. If the developer wants to believe the entire universe was created by a magic sky wizard with questionable moral standards, then that's up to him, but I don't want to read about it in a PDF about a simulated aeroplane unless it has a function which can convert it into an ark; otherwise it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. And I especially object to having that claptrap forced on me when I've paid for a product. This developer really needs to knock that stuff off.

On to the actual aeroplane. This is very nice. It does the real thing justice with an interior which, whilst not to everyone's taste in terms of styling, is what the real things are like since they had that slightly cack mid-eighties car interior styling going on, with everything in binnacles and the panels wrapping around you. If you've ever had a Porsche 924, you'll be familiar with all that badly-dated styling and it's well represented here and does look like a real TB-20, since they have loads of grey plastic everywhere with a heavy sand grain texture that traps dirt like it is going out of fashion, and looks just like it does in this simulated version.

The plane won't start manually, you can do all the correct switching and stuff, but it needs a final Control+E to actually crank. The avionics are serviceable and work as well as they do in any other default GA aeroplane although the pitot heat did not appear to be working since I lost the ASI when I got to altitude.

All the speeds and turn/roll rates look to be on the money and it does a pretty good spin if you allow it to. It has good engine sounds and interior cockpit sounds and the haptics of the real thing are well simulated, with its slightly unusual buttons and dials. All the cockpit and panel lighting works although as noted earlier in this thread, the instruments remain lit in daylight and the dials are not super duper sharp 3D, but they do look pretty okay for all that.

It can do the same thing the Piaggio/Focke-Wulf P-149 does, i.e. have the pilots appear outside the model, but a flight restart sorts that out. Here's a picture of that anomaly here on the Trinidad, if you've not seen it on the P-149:

On the whole if you like the TB-20/21, or if you aren't that familiar with it but fancy something a bit different which can cruise at 200+ mph up at 25,000 feet, then it's worth a look and hopefully some patches will improve it further.

Note too that although these screenies are nearly all of the same aeroplane, it comes with a load of different paint jobs with lots of nations represented in terms of registration numbers, so there's a good chance there'll be one for your particular neck of the woods if that's important to you, and there's loads of different paint schemes as well.

If you've never had a TB-20 in your sim and are wondering how this might fit in your virtual hangar, I can tell you that it's a really good long-range IFR tourer, well-suited to night flying and poor weather operations, with a turn of speed which puts it in a class above most GA singles, since it can climb above poor weather pretty quickly. It would be a good choice for a circumnavigation or some long range exploration if you have that in mind.

So in short, at just over 20 quid, even in spite of the odd issue, in my opinion it's worth having.

Cool it on the religious bigotry. You don't have to read it but to suggest he is forcing anything on you is absurd. 

51 minutes ago, Lenny777 said:

Cool it on the religious bigotry. You don't have to read it but to suggest he is forcing anything on you is absurd. 

First up, you knock off suggesting that I am a bigot. Instead, go and look up the word bigot and see that criticising someone else being a bigot does not make me a bigot. When you've found a dictionary, note the word's meaning - an obstinate devotion to one's own opinions, beliefs and prejudices -  thus recognise that, since buying an add on aeroplane for a flight simulator has literally nothing whatsoever to do with religion, yet we find, completely without solicitation, that someone's religious beliefs are placed into the manual for a product for which these beliefs have no relevance whatsoever, then yes it absolutely is being forced on us, and in doing so, that is the very definition of an obstinate devotion to one's own opinions, beliefs and prejudices if ever there was one.

Me criticising this dodgy practice does not make me a bigot, it makes me a critic, You can feel free to disagree with my critical opinion if you like, or if you are similarly religious you might exhibit a bias in the matter, but you can't deny that the subject of religion has quite literally bugger all to do with how to operate a general aviation aeroplane or install a simulated version of one onto a PC.

Now you are correct that I don't have to read stuff, but as I scroll through the PDF looking at the product information for what I just bought, I do have to come across it and commence reading that page to find that the content is absolutely bugger all to do with the aeroplane and is instead an attempt at proselytising. If you think doing that isn't proselytising, then consider this: Why not a non-denominational 'spiritual message', or one about Allah, or Thor, or Odin, or Vishnu? Nope, it is one person's beliefs being shoved onto others without the asking, or the granting of permission, and that as you will now be aware from having looked up what a bigot really is, this really is an example of bigotry.

Remember, I wasn't the one who commenced forcing my beliefs on anyone else, I was doing a quick overview of a simulated aeroplane on a flight sim forum. I don't recall the name of that aeroplane being the Socata TB-21 Jesusmobile, nor any mention of some preaching being made on the product's page, or being offered a tick box at the point of sale asking me if I want additional fictional spiritual guidance with my product. This being the case, the subject of religion was broached by the author, in shoving a completely irrelevant message into a product manual which I could only know the content of after purchase and installation on my PC.

The fact that I personally happen to think the message is nonsense is not the point, nor is that even really relevant, the point is it is that some very partisan beliefs which are irrelevant to the document's subjects at hand are in there, and completely unsolicited. And that absolutely does warrant criticism, all day every day, and twice on Sundays.

Consider this: Imagine if a manual for an airliner you purchased had some instructions on how to join the Taliban in it and the suggestion that we all do so. Would you think this was okay? That's a religion-based school of thought too. Would it be relevant to the subject at hand? Would you like to install it on your PC and have to open it up and start reading it to find it contained such a message?

Edited February 6, 20215 yr by Chock

10 minutes ago, Chock said:

Socata TB-21 Jesusmobile

would have been an awesome name tho 😄

Just now, leprechaunlive said:

would have been an awesome name tho 😄

Well yeah, that is true. 🤣

Just now, Chock said:

First up, you knock off suggesting that I am a bigot. Instead, go and look up the word bigot and see that criticising someone else being a bigot does not make me a bigot. When you've found a dictionary, note the word's meaning - an obstinate devotion to one's own opinions, beliefs and prejudices -  thus recognise that, since buying an add on aeroplane for a flight simulator has literally nothing whatsoever to do with religion, yet we find, completely without solicitation, that a someone's religious beliefs are placed into the manual for a product for which these beliefs have no relevance whatsoever, then yes it absolutely is being forced on us, and in doing so, that is the very definition of an obstinate devotion to one's own opinions, beliefs and prejudices if ever there was one.

Me criticising this dodgy practice does not make me a bigot, it makes me a critic, You can feel free to disagree with my critical opinion if you like, or if you are similarly religious you might exhibit a bias in the matter, but you can't deny that the subject of religion has quite literally bugger all to do with how to operate a general aviation aeroplane or install a simulated version of one onto a PC.

Now you are correct that I don't have to read stuff, but as I scroll through the PDF looking at the product information for what I just bought, I do have to come across it and commence reading that page to find that the content is absolutely bugger all to do with the aeroplane and is instead an attempt at proselytising. If you think doing that isn't proselytising, then consider this: Why not a non-denominational 'spiritual message', or one about Allah, or Thor, or Odin, or Vishnu? Nope, it is one person's beliefs being shoved onto others without the asking, or the granting of permission, and that as you will now be aware from having looked up what a bigot really is, this really is an example of bigotry.

Remember, I wasn't the one who commenced forcing my beliefs on anyone else, I was doing a quick overview of a simulated aeroplane, and I don't recall the name of that aeroplane being the Socata TB-21 Jesusmobile, and this being the case, the subject of religion was broached by the author shoving a completely irrelevant message into a product manual. The fact that I personally happen to think the message is nonsense is not the point, nor is it even really relevant, the point is it is that some very partisan beliefs which are irrelevant to the document's subjects at hand are in there, and completely unsolicited. And that absolutely does warrant criticism, all day every day, and twice on Sundays.

 Seems like, mate, you conveniently left out an important adjunct to the definition of bigotry. Here I'll underline it for you since you are prepared to misrepresent the nature of the notion:"a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group"

Your hostility towards the expression of the man's faith is palpable and it is a poor reflection of your lack of self-awareness of that fact.

It's not a "dodgy" practice. Anymore then it is if a Hindu, or Muslim etc. wanted to write about their faith and inspiration in their work or development. Having purchased his products  previously you are well aware that the developer wears his faith on his sleeve. And  yet you seem to want to exploit his faith by sounding off about your own hostilities concerning someone's faith. And why should he follow your dictates that he should sanitize his  message in the fashion you suggest by making it a 'spiritual message' when indeed that is what his message is it's just that it seems to have set off some hatred in you. Shame. Don't buy the product next time or easily skip over the 'proselytising'. Either way the onus is on you to show some tolerance and stop the "antagonistic" nature towards the man's beliefs.

Talking about religion on this thread will only lead to a locked thread and some banned members.

lets just not have this thread go down that slippery slope...