16 hours ago, tweekz said:

Their default planes really went from pile of cr*p to acceptable and now probably beyond. This is unexpected for default planes.

Right, I think that the default planes, while far from perfect, are the best that I've seen in a sim since the beginning of PC simming - and I was there for that!

14 minutes ago, ricka47 said:

Right, I think that the default planes, while far from perfect, are the best that I've seen in a sim since the beginning of PC simming - and I was there for that!

Yeah, and that’s one of the reasons I don’t get why people are so critical about the default planes, like they were subpar when compared to other sims. I get people want them to improved, but isn’t that what they are trying here?

Edited June 23, 20214 yr by ca_metal

10 hours ago, ca_metal said:

Yeah, and that’s one of the reasons I don’t get why people are so critical about the default planes, like they were subpar when compared to other sims. I get people want them to improved, but isn’t that what they are trying here?

These people are built different from most of us.  Their default is set to complain about very thing.  It not just flight sims that these people are continuously complaining about.  We all have RL friends like this.

1st complaint : Asobo has no idea what they are doing Avionics are word not allowed. They need to just fix it.

Asobo : hire WorkingTitle to fix avionics

2nd complaint : Why does Asobo is only hiring expert now  They couldn't do that before.?

Asobo : request expert and post job posting to address the issue and beta test

3rd complaint : Asobo has no idea what they are doing they should just give up...

 

This is the eternal loop of AVSIM

 

 

 

Shouldn’t this have been thought about in early development?

 

Better Late than Never I guess!

2 hours ago, Kilo60 said:

Shouldn’t this have been thought about in early development?

I'm sure they didn't have the resources, not to mention that prematurely releasing the sim during the pandemic likely drove up sales. Now that the Xbox release is upon us, they can start focusing on the smaller details.

4 hours ago, Funky D said:

I'm sure they didn't have the resources, not to mention that prematurely releasing the sim during the pandemic likely drove up sales. Now that the Xbox release is upon us, they can start focusing on the smaller details.

wow.. like making the default planes that we paid for flyable? such a small detail...easily over looked.

2 hours ago, a321 said:

wow.. like making the default planes that we paid for flyable? such a small detail...easily over looked.

Flyable, yes - I think they've been flyable since the AP was fixed - aside from the bug that had the 787 jumping around on the runway after SU4 (which was fixed with a hotfix).

While some issues remain, most of the planes are better than the default planes in FSX. Surely you remember the default A321, right?

Anyway, I'm more than happy that they actually care to improve the flight dynamics of the default aircraft - for now the C152 and C172, more to come. And yes, we all know (Jörg and Seb included) that adverse yaw is missing (or way too low), but that will come to the next sim update.

In previous installations of MS Flight Simulator the default aircraft only ever improved (if at all) when you bought a new version.

 

Edited June 24, 20214 yr by pstrub

On 6/22/2021 at 10:05 PM, Doug47 said:

 Let’s ask home gamers and ‘simmers’ who have never flown in their life to assist what we can’t do. Encouraging! 

I bet your rèsumè, full of years of relevant experience, is already sitting in Asobo's inbox. 

Avsimmers never cease to amaze

15 hours ago, fogboundturtle said:

1st complaint : Asobo has no idea what they are doing Avionics are word not allowed. They need to just fix it.

Asobo : hire WorkingTitle to fix avionics

2nd complaint : Why does Asobo is only hiring expert now  They couldn't do that before.?

Asobo : request expert and post job posting to address the issue and beta test

3rd complaint : Asobo has no idea what they are doing they should just give up...

 

This is the eternal loop of AVSIM

 

 

 

The loop wouldn’t be really complete without a post like yours dissing Avsim. 

Edited June 24, 20214 yr by Dominique_K

4 hours ago, pstrub said:

Flyable, yes - I think they've been flyable since the AP was fixed - aside from the bug that had the 787 jumping around on the runway after SU4 (which was fixed with a hotfix).

While some issues remain, most of the planes are better than the default planes in FSX. Surely you remember the default A321, right?

Anyway, I'm more than happy that they actually care to improve the flight dynamics of the default aircraft - for now the C152 and C172, more to come. And yes, we all know (Jörg and Seb included) that adverse yaw is missing (or way too low), but that will come to the next sim update.

In previous installations of MS Flight Simulator the default aircraft only ever improved (if at all) when you bought a new version.

 

The Da40TDI had (and quite possibly still does have) a bug in the fuel tank transfer pump that set the transfer rate too low and resultiung in fuel being transferred slower than it was being used from the primary tank.

That, combined with the fact it was a preimium aircraft so the one numerical value that needed changing was encrypted, did a pretty decent job of making the plane unflyable over any reasonable distance.

I have over 200 hours in the C152...

It handles fairly well in the sim, but IRL I can see trees going towards the horizon when I look out of the windows. 

1 hour ago, Matchstick said:

The Da40TDI had (and quite possibly still does have) a bug in the fuel tank transfer pump that set the transfer rate too low and resultiung in fuel being transferred slower than it was being used from the primary tank.

That, combined with the fact it was a preimium aircraft so the one numerical value that needed changing was encrypted, did a pretty decent job of making the plane unflyable over any reasonable distance.

Yep, that's pretty annoying. I filed a bug report.

I don't deny there are issues with the default planes, and in some cases they're taking too long to fix them. Still I think the quality of the default planes is a lot better than it ever was in a previous version of MS Flight Simulator.

Edited June 24, 20214 yr by pstrub

10 minutes ago, pstrub said:

Yep, that's pretty annoying. I filed a bug report.

I don't deny there are issues with the default planes, and in some cases they're taking too long to fix them. Still I think the quality of the default planes is a lot better than it ever was in a previous version of MS Flight Simulator.

When a plane you've paid extra for is released in that state and not fixed at the earliest possible opportunity after the problem is reported, I'm afraid I have to differ with you.