13 minutes ago, regis9 said:

I have and they are excellent, but something about the flight deck sounds on the FSL Airbus seem just a bit more “alive”.  I might also be influenced by liking the sounds of the CEO much more than the NEO (in real life, not referring to sim depictions).

I don't know who the sound guy is on FSLabs but he's an absolute demigod at capturing audible environments. The only team that's ever come close is Turbine Sound Studios. Immersive audio isn't far behind and honestly either team might be willing to subcontract if Aamir reached out, but who knows. I think TSS did the sounds for the QualityWIngs 757? (Going back to my FSX days for this memory. Happy to be corrected)

Edit: The FBW team did an amazing job bringing it all to life by the way. Those takeoff rolls sound authentic.

Edited July 15, 20214 yr by WestAir

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Explain to all of use what this difference makes to you?

I’m also interested in the technical flight model answer. Will it change my mind? No, I’m still very likely to buy this.

If the flight model is external I believe it means they’re implementing a lot of their own stuff including (as far as I’m aware) how it interacts with weather, air masses etc. I’m which case it might not be possible to get that detailed wx/wind information from the sims APIs.

If it’s native MSFS you get the work Asobo has done, the 1306 aircraft surfaces, interacting with the complex wind and weather. And any further improvements they make to it. This part is a big selling point of the sim, and makes it seem like we’re flying not on rails.

I’m not saying the external model approach is better or worse (it depends to what extent it’s written, what you what to simulate etc), I’m just interested because I’m a coder so it’s up my alley

Edited July 15, 20214 yr by NZ255

2 minutes ago, NZ255 said:

I’m also interested in the technical flight model answer. Will it change my mind? No, I’m still very likely to buy this.

If the flight model is external I believe it means they’re implementing a lot of their own stuff including (as far as I’m aware) how it interacts with weather, air masses etc. I’m which case it might not be possible to get that detailed wx/wind information from the sims APIs.

If it’s native MSFS you get the work Asobo has done, the 1306 aircraft surfaces, interacting with the complex wind and weather. And any further improvements they make to it. This part is a big selling point of the sim, and makes it seem like we’re flying not on rails.

I never felt that MSFS felt like "  flying on rails" The planes I fly in MSFS feel like real aircraft to me, like I flew in real life. 

Edited July 15, 20214 yr by Bobsk8

1 minute ago, Bobsk8 said:

I never felt that MSFS felt like "  flying on rails" The planes I fly in MSFS feel like real aircraft to me, like I flew in real life. 

Agreed. “Makes it seem like we’re not flying on rails”

1 minute ago, NZ255 said:

Agreed. “Makes it seem like we’re not flying on rails”

I am so sick of  this " flying on rails" garbage, and usually it is claimed by people that never flew an aircraft in real life. 

Just now, Bobsk8 said:

I am so sick of  this " flying on rails" garbage, and usually it is claimed by people that never flew an aircraft in real life. 

Ok

Wouldn't the criticism levied against msfs about planes moving about in the air, perhaps in an overexaggerated way, be the very definition of not flying on rails?

When you know how to fly "airplane" it suppose to fly like on rails! 😁 Unless you fly behind and little bit below something heavy, clean and slow 😀

I think the people who still think MSFS planes fly on rails need to reinstall FSX/FS9. I reinstalled FSX:SE just for giggles last week and oh man how far we've come lol

1 hour ago, WestAir said:

I don't know who the sound guy is on FSLabs but he's an absolute demigod at capturing audible environments. The only team that's ever come close is Turbine Sound Studios. Immersive audio isn't far behind and honestly either team might be willing to subcontract if Aamir reached out, but who knows

Agreed, the Immersive Audio Q400 sound pack would be my second favourite after FSL.  

1 hour ago, NZ255 said:

I’m not saying the external model approach is better or worse (it depends to what extent it’s written, what you what to simulate etc), I’m just interested because I’m a coder so it’s up my alley

Exactly. I am also interested in the technical details. Don't even know why to justify for it. 😄

Just curiosity.

Sure they'll tackle this point in one of the future updates.

4 minutes ago, regis9 said:

Agreed, the Immersive Audio Q400 sound pack would be my second favourite after FSL.  

I actually didn’t care for the FSL sound.  It might have been more a P3D issue however - the sound would “fade in” as you changed views.  I’m also hopeful that sound will be a core focus for Fenix.  Nothing ruins immersion more than flying a vacuum cleaner!

2 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I am so sick of  this " flying on rails" garbage, and usually it is claimed by people that never flew an aircraft in real life. 

You do get those days though in a super stable atmosphere, maybe an inversion or an early winter morning with not much heating. And you trim out the aircraft and she just flies super still (no autopilot required!). It's like cutting through butter. I hope MFS will be able to simulate both the typical bumpy states as well as the very stable atmosphere. I haven't played around in it much lately, but I haven't had a lot of the 'butter' flying experience. But I recall it definitely can do both so that's good.

Edited July 15, 20214 yr by suncoastflyer

4 minutes ago, suncoastflyer said:

You do get those days though in a super stable atmosphere, maybe an inversion or an early winter morning with not much heating. And you trim out the aircraft and she just flies super still (no autopilot required!). It's like cutting through butter. I hope MFS will be able to simulate both the typical bumpy states as well as the very stable atmosphere. I haven't played around in it much lately, but I haven't had a lot of the 'butter' flying experience. But I recall it definitely can do both so that's good.

Have experienced that many times flying in real life  a C 152. Cool afternoon or early evening , no wind, you can set the controls, trim, and it will fly like it is motionless. get a hot day, with a breeze, and it can be like a roller coaster. I just flew the DC6 into Lisbon Airport a couple of hours ago, and from about 4,000 agl and down on approach, it was really bouncing around. Just like a real aircraft would be when it is "bumpy". 

2 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

When you know how to fly "airplane" it suppose to fly like on rails! 😁 Unless you fly behind and little bit below something heavy, clean and slow 😀

You reminded me of a what a CFI said to me  many years ago. I was on my first cross country dual, flying from Vero beach to Ft Lauderdale, and it was bumpy. Then he woiuld ask me to look up something on the sectional, and while I did, he would take he controls. This happened a couple of times, and finally I said, how come when you are flying there isn't much turbulence like when I have the controls. He said', You are making your own turbulence by trying to correct every bump and dip the aircraft makes. " Just relax and let the airplane fly itself. After that, my flying was much smoother.