Of course MSFS isn't there yet...it's been a year and a half.

Don't expect those smooth refined heavily study level complex flights you experience in the older sims that have everything ironed out and years and years of addon development progress.

If you just so happen to yearn for those experiences over pretty visuals then you shouldn't have deleted all of your old sims(XP11,P3D,FSX).

Some of you were so proud and boastful of uninstalling all traces of your old sims once MSFS released and rubbing it in everyone elses face and turning your nose up at anyone who chose to still enjoy older sims.

Now look at you....whining and crying MSFS development isn't moving along well enough at the pace YOU desire.

That's what you get...now wait patiently for MSFS to get to that level of advancement or go reinstall your favorite older sim you keep whining about has better XYZ.🤣😂

Some of you foolishly bought the "end all be all" hype at MSFS's release....yes it's on the path of being the "end all be all" certainly!

That would require patience and tolerance for MS/ASOBO's development pace.

Gotta give it to them they are really showing a ton of effort on ironing things out and these addon devs are really pushing to give us those great experiences we've enjoyed in older sims.

So ride the MSFS emotional roller coaster with PATIENCE and TOLERANCE with the rest of us or GET OFF!

 

Edited December 10, 20214 yr by blueshark747

OP - You still have the  whole  world to explore no?

Cheers 

bs

13 hours ago, ThrottleUp said:

with XP11 (and the upcoming XP12) you can have an entire sim with the entire world stored locally - no stream needed for optimal experience. FSX was like this too of course.

But only MSFS has the REAL world. The older sims have only a rough approximation, with randomly placed autogen buildings in most places, so that with the exception of a few hand-crafted places, cities, towns, and rural areas bear no resemblance to the real thing. Big difference!

Edited December 10, 20214 yr by cobalt

19 hours ago, cobalt said:

But only MSFS has the REAL world. The older sims have only a rough approximation, with randomly placed autogen buildings in most places, so that with the exception of a few hand-crafted places, cities, towns, and rural areas bear no resemblance to the real thing. Big difference!

I cant argue with that, MSFS is king in that dept!

I guess what Im saying is that does not matter to me because now 95% of my time in XP11 is spent at 39,000ft in an airliner. From that altitude the approximation does not matter to me. 

Low and slow is a different ball game. Its due to MSFS that I have removed all light GA airplanes from my XP11. Now all that kind of flying I can only do in MSFS (over the wilderness only I hate flying over cities and towns) Low and slow in XP11.... yea... I feel the pain lol. 

On 12/9/2021 at 5:45 AM, pmb said:

A lot of people want Asobo/MS to stop moving forward for debugging instead. If they cling to this, you can expect a - perhaps - less buggy program with even less new features in the future.

I don’t think many want “Asobo/MS to stop moving forward” but I agree that the regression bugs and poor quality control have to end. You can “move forward” without moving 2 steps back at the same time.

That’s all anyone is saying. Test the updates. This beta appears to be a good step in that direction. Let’s hope it is. 

50 minutes ago, ThrottleUp said:

I cant argue with that, MSFS is king in that dept!

I guess what Im saying is that does not matter to me because now 95% of my time in XP11 is spent at 39,000ft in an airliner. From that altitude the approximation does not matter to me. 

Low and slow is a different ball game. Its due to MSFS that I have removed all light GA airplanes from my XP11. Now all that kind of flying I can only do in MSFS (over the wilderness only I hate flying over cities and towns) Low and slow in XP11.... yea... I feel the pain lol. 

Since 95% of your flying is at 39,000 feet, I can certainly understand that real-world scenery is not important to you. What I have always had difficulty understanding -- and this is not a criticism at all, it is just an inquiry -- is the fascination some folks have with this kind of flying. Your plane is presumably on autopilot; you see mostly clouds (even in clear weather, the ground is miles below); and what is there to do but look at the instrument panel and watch the autopilot fly the plane? I actually do some high-altitude flying myself in airliners on occasion, just to expand my flying experience, but for me it is far less interesting than VFR flight. However, that's just me.

28 minutes ago, cobalt said:

and what is there to do but look at the instrument panel and watch the autopilot fly the plane?

as real as it gets, another day in the life of an airline pilot.

@cobalt Good write up.  Someday MSFS will be the sim of choice for the tubeliner flyers but I'm in no hurry to see that happen.

On the other hand it seems that MSFS has piqued an interest in VFR flights with steam gauges.  Real flying IMO.

Can't wait to tuck away in some mountain location with a glider.

Cheers

bs

 

3 hours ago, cobalt said:

 What I have always had difficulty understanding -- and this is not a criticism at all, it is just an inquiry -- is the fascination some folks have with this kind of flying. Your plane is presumably on autopilot; you see mostly clouds (even in clear weather, the ground is miles below); and what is there to do but look at the instrument panel and watch the autopilot fly the plane? I actually do some high-altitude flying myself in airliners on occasion, just to expand my flying experience, but for me it is far less interesting than VFR flight. However, that's just me.

I totally understand that question. I cannot ever do the ultra long haul stuff. I hear of simmers doing 17hr hauls in real time, nope I could never do that. 

I fly mostly the B737-800 in XP11. I use FlightAware's airplane filter for B738 and then sort the resulting list by flight duration. I only select flights that last 90 minutes or less. Example: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA4693/history/20211211/2005Z/KONT/KLAS

There are 30 min 737-800 hops even and I think I even recall a 20 min one. The shorter the better, very short jet airliner flights are a ton of fun because you get in lots of approaches and landings and have stay ahead of the plane to an even greater extent. I also always kill the autopilot about 20nm out from the runway and hand fly. 

The simmers who do the ultra long hauls in real time, I couldn't do that. Thats next level hardcore lol. 

So a sim session for me would be to play wannabe airline pilot in XP11 for an hour then hop into MSFS to thump the Caravan down on remote strips in Brazil or take the Cub to some Idaho bush strips. 

Thanks -- I enjoyed your response, and it does explain a lot!

14 hours ago, ThrottleUp said:

I guess what Im saying is that does not matter to me because now 95% of my time in XP11 is spent at 39,000ft in an airliner. From that altitude the approximation does not matter to me. 

So you never descend and land your plane?

Well after two and a bit evenings downloading the core plus the content updates, ready to go. Might start with a relaxed GA flight or maybe a couple of challenges just to ease back in. 

Browsing round the Marketplace I see there is a static MD11, what a pity that wasn’t made flyable.

As an aside I also see there is a Captain Sim 777 in the Marketplace but opinions seem mixed about it. Aliased to the default 747 cockpit, I was wondering whether that also applies to the flight model and sounds too?

 

On 12/9/2021 at 12:59 PM, bobcat999 said:

Isn't asking for bug fixes and stabilising the sim a means of moving forward then?  That is what I look for.  

My impression is that the same folks who ask for bug fixes then refuse to install the beta where many of the bugs are fixed. I mean, and then I look at the signatures of these folks, where they proudly "present" their shiny hardware ,and I see 2080s and 3070s and 3090s--it's like contacting Ferrari owners asking them to test a new race course, and said owners are like: nah, sorry, that's to adventurous...

And here I am testing the beta on, to quote Mr. Fuzzy), my "old potato" of a PC.

On 12/10/2021 at 6:28 PM, cobalt said:

MSFS is boring? The entire real world in detail is boring? Much, if not most, of what you describe is so different from my own experience with it that I wonder if we are talking about the same sim -- e.g. too dark, too green, over-emphasized trees, lack of variety in clouds, etc. Too many rainbows? I have seen one in the last 6 months. Cartoonish? Arcade-like? Is this a put-on? Well, as is often said here, to each his own, and happy flying!

Although MSFS offers something never seen before (i mean WOW it is a dream come true indeed) it's not the "entire" real world in detail. many parts in Asia for instance are dissappointing when it comes plausible autogen.

MSFS is very exciting when i am bored of X-plane. X-plane is very exciting when i am bored of MSFS again, so I switch. When MSFS came out i would never have thought to do this initially but then the Felis 742 came out and the IXEG737 looks so incredibly real in VR it's uncanny.

Or i do 1 flight first in MSFS to see what it (almost) looks like in the real world in a part of the world i've never been before and then do the same flight in X-plane for a more realistic flying experience.

Too blue and green in clear sky day? Yes. FSX has also been too bright and clear to my taste.

and X-plane is too grey for my taste.

Cartoonish? perhaps the wrong word. I mean 'drawn'
In X-plane i get a sense of being able to touch objects whereas in MSFS it's more like the objects are drawn, I am talking about cars, terminals, cars and other airport objects...... and mountains in the distance look farther away. 

 

On 12/10/2021 at 6:34 PM, sd_flyer said:

When I fly in real life it looks exactly like MSFS! I wonder if you live in matrix ! Lol

Maybe I do ...... Ignorance is bliss 🙂

But you are right, although i wouldn't say 'exactly' but yes, it comes close many times. 

On 12/10/2021 at 11:34 AM, sd_flyer said:

When I fly in real life it looks exactly like MSFS! I wonder if you live in matrix ! Lol

I kid you not....when I have the time to learn how to make small animated mods to the sim....I'm putting a black cat on a random ramp at a random airport, glitching a repeating pattern....should be enough, for those seriously pondering that question, to put them over the edge! 🤣