14 minutes ago, Elvensmith said:

Well anyway it looks as though insufficient has changed to justify continuing the 110Gb download

If I may make a suggestion. I don't know how slow or fast is your internet service, but if its the latter, then download it and give it a try, find out for yourself. 'cause you might even end up getting to the main screen quicker then looking to get an answer here.

11 hours ago, Elvensmith said:

Bottom line is it really worth bothering to update or have things not moved forward that much since I was last here?

You might consider checking out the forums for P3D or X-Plane, where quantum leaps in progress are made every single week.

I don't complain about the updates. They have all been free to date. For the money spent, well worth it. At least I haven't had to repay for a "new" version with a couple of features and hopefully some bug fixes

2 hours ago, David Mills said:

You might consider checking out the forums for P3D or X-Plane, where quantum leaps in progress are made every single week.

This post needs a Mutley laugh track playing in the background...

Edited December 10, 20214 yr by MDFlier

2 hours ago, David Mills said:

You might consider checking out the forums for P3D or X-Plane, where quantum leaps in progress are made every single week.

I heard Austin is putting on his final touches to the C172 propeller dynamics! Ground breaking stuff! 

My observation is:

They added a ton of new content (world updates every two months), but they neglected a ton of bug fixing, which they attempt with every sim update (every two month), which resulted in a lot of pain for the 'normal' users, because those updates were released without testing.

This is all about to change, here I am hoping.

I understand that they want to come up with new content regularly, but fixing bugs should have priority and so far it does not seem that way....

I don't understand how anyone could go back, once they've used MSFS. Even if there isn't study level tube-liners yet, there are several ones that can keep you busy until there is. Or, try switching things up. Download the WT G1000Nxi and do short hops into small fields. Either IFR or VFR, its absolutely gorgeous. I could never go back to P3D or Xplane because it's like going back to 2005. Sure, I can't simulate a hydraulic fuel pump failure in a 737 (yet) and that's really not bugging me at all. 

16 minutes ago, Bdub22 said:

I don't understand how anyone could go back, once they've used MSFS. Even if there isn't study level tube-liners

Because that is all I do. VA commercial. I deleted MSFS.

14 hours ago, somiller said:

Has the sim moved forward...yes.

No it hasn't!

Yes it has.

No it hasn't...

Hey, it's pantomime season!🧞‍♂️🤴👸🧚‍♀️🧙‍♂️

3 hours ago, Adrian123 said:

Because that is all I do. VA commercial. I deleted MSFS.

Strange choice frankly if that what you do. There are at lease CRJ, DC-6, and FBW320 I fly all of them for United Virtual

4 hours ago, Bdub22 said:

I don't understand how anyone could go back, once they've used MSFS. 

Everyone is different. I am a huge MSFS fan, huge XP11 fan, huge DCS fan. All three are on my system and all 3 are an absolute blast. MSFS for low slow back country flying, XP11 for B737-800 hops, DCS to blow up bad guys with Sukhois.

I realize for vast numbers of gamers its the graphics that call the shots and of course I'm under no illusions that XP11 cannot match the photoreal MSFS - but (and this is a big "but") - it makes zero difference to me.

I actually like the look of XP11 and XP12 will improve on it.  Aside from that I like the fact that with XP11 (and the upcoming XP12) you can have an entire sim with the entire world stored locally - no stream needed for optimal experience. FSX was like this too of course.

On my system all 3 of those titles get along with each other and all 3 will always remain installed.  Doesn't matter whats being used as long as that person.....is having fun!

Edited December 10, 20214 yr by ThrottleUp

3 hours ago, ThrottleUp said:

you can have an entire sim with the entire world stored locally - no stream needed for optimal experience. FSX was like this too of course.

FS5 was like this too, of course 😊

13 hours ago, Bdub22 said:

I don't understand how anyone could go back, once they've used MSFS. 

It's because it gets boring after a while. But i don't go back. i just switch between them. I even switch to FSX for A2A's constellation or PMDG's 7xx series. But that, i have to say, is only because my world is in VR (on an old rig with an old Rift CV1). I would not touch any flightsimulator ever again if there was no VR possible.

and then you open X-plane again and notice that when arriving at an airport tarmac all object are real objects. It is less 'cartoonish' and more lifelike. and there is something about the light as well in x-plane VR that i prefer over MSFS. I find MSFS often way too dark at daylight when there is some weather going on and too bright/ washed out in clear sky conditions. Weather (clouds) need to be there to create some drama with shadows on the ground. A clear sky day may be good for FPS but oh so boring and makes MSFS oh so green. Especially trees are too emphasized. It's most of the time just so 'clean' so that it get's boring. I can't stand the many youtube videos shot in clear sky conditions. Especially when the landmark pointers are enabled breaking the immersion.

And the thing with the clouds in MSFS is that they're missing in variety, there are none or rarely any present at higher altitutes. there is no stratus or cirrus type. Too many rainbows adding to the arcade/ cartoon feeling etc etc. Sometime I even think the default X-plane clouds provide a more realistic feel when at high altitude.

....and then, when i'm bored of x-plane again, i open MSFS and notice how wonderful and promising lots of things are.

 

 

Edited December 10, 20214 yr by avhpilot

3 hours ago, avhpilot said:

It's because it gets boring after a while. But i don't go back. i just switch between them. I even switch to FSX for A2A's constellation or PMDG's 7xx series. But that, i have to say, is only because my world is in VR (on an old rig with an old Rift CV1). I would not touch any flightsimulator ever again if there was no VR possible.

and then you open X-plane again and notice that when arriving at an airport tarmac all object are real objects. It is less 'cartoonish' and more lifelike. and there is something about the light as well in x-plane VR that i prefer over MSFS. I find MSFS often way too dark at daylight when there is some weather going on and too bright/ washed out in clear sky conditions. Weather (clouds) need to be there to create some drama with shadows on the ground. A clear sky day may be good for FPS but oh so boring and makes MSFS oh so green. Especially trees are too emphasized. It's most of the time just so 'clean' so that it get's boring. I can't stand the many youtube videos shot in clear sky conditions. Especially when the landmark pointers are enabled breaking the immersion.

And the thing with the clouds in MSFS is that they're missing in variety, there are none or rarely any present at higher altitutes. there is no stratus or cirrus type. Too many rainbows adding to the arcade/ cartoon feeling etc etc. Sometime I even think the default X-plane clouds provide a more realistic feel when at high altitude.

....and then, when i'm bored of x-plane again, i open MSFS and notice how wonderful and promising lots of things are.

 

 

MSFS is boring? The entire real world in detail is boring? Much, if not most, of what you describe is so different from my own experience with it that I wonder if we are talking about the same sim -- e.g. too dark, too green, over-emphasized trees, lack of variety in clouds, etc. Too many rainbows? I have seen one in the last 6 months. Cartoonish? Arcade-like? Is this a put-on? Well, as is often said here, to each his own, and happy flying!

3 hours ago, avhpilot said:

It's because it gets boring after a while. But i don't go back. i just switch between them. I even switch to FSX for A2A's constellation or PMDG's 7xx series. But that, i have to say, is only because my world is in VR (on an old rig with an old Rift CV1). I would not touch any flightsimulator ever again if there was no VR possible.

and then you open X-plane again and notice that when arriving at an airport tarmac all object are real objects. It is less 'cartoonish' and more lifelike. and there is something about the light as well in x-plane VR that i prefer over MSFS. I find MSFS often way too dark at daylight when there is some weather going on and too bright/ washed out in clear sky conditions. Weather (clouds) need to be there to create some drama with shadows on the ground. A clear sky day may be good for FPS but oh so boring and makes MSFS oh so green. Especially trees are too emphasized. It's most of the time just so 'clean' so that it get's boring. I can't stand the many youtube videos shot in clear sky conditions. Especially when the landmark pointers are enabled breaking the immersion.

And the thing with the clouds in MSFS is that they're missing in variety, there are none or rarely any present at higher altitutes. there is no stratus or cirrus type. Too many rainbows adding to the arcade/ cartoon feeling etc etc. Sometime I even think the default X-plane clouds provide a more realistic feel when at high altitude.

....and then, when i'm bored of x-plane again, i open MSFS and notice how wonderful and promising lots of things are.

 

 

When I fly in real life it looks exactly like MSFS! I wonder if you live in matrix ! Lol

Edited December 10, 20214 yr by sd_flyer