What I don't understand is this: why is he telling us all that?

I mean, if I order a meal, do I really need the chef to come out of his kitchen every 3 minutes and tell me that, now, he's preparing the potatoes, and, finally, the asparagus is done, but the steak still needs a few minutes.

Bring me the food when it's done.

36 minutes ago, ErichB said:

I will not be doing that

Marketing arithmetic : set the time frame between the releases of the 700 and the 800 so it is a wee bit longer than the procrastination of the average simmer to buy the 700 😁.

 

24 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

What I don't understand is this: why is he telling us all that?

I mean, if I order a meal, do I really need the chef to come out of his kitchen every 3 minutes and tell me that, now, he's preparing the potatoes, and, finally, the asparagus is done, but the steak still needs a few minutes.

Bring me the food when it's done.

than u got users  complaining about  no updates, nothing  wrong  about updates keeps us in the loop

Edited February 7, 20224 yr by pete_auau

6 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

Marketing arithmetic : set the time frame between the releases of the 700 and the 800 so it is a wee bit longer than the procrastination of the average simmer to buy the 700 😁.

 

Agree.

Since MSFS, I've become a big Airbus fan.  Although I am looking forward to the 737, it doesn't trigger the impulsive buying response it would have done during P3D days.  There are other options available - for free.  So the spend will now need to show value.

I hope that once the 737 is released that it won't be much longer before we see the 777 and 747 as well.

3 minutes ago, captain420 said:

I hope that once the 737 is released that it won't be much longer before we see the 777 and 747 as well

 I will have serious buying impulse control issues with the latter two.

26 minutes ago, captain420 said:

I hope that once the 737 is released that it won't be much longer before we see the 777 and 747 as well.

Most likely, the 777 and 747 from PMDG won't have near as long a development cycle as the 737.  As Randazzo said, PMDG is like the lead ship at the front clearing the minefield for other 3rd party developers who are other ships following PMDG from behind.

What Randazzo meant by the lead ship clearing the minefield analogy was that PMDG is pushing the MSFS SDK to the limits for a study level aircraft that area also targeting X-Box, and once the first study level aircraft is released, it will be much easier for other 3rd party devs to follow and create study level aircraft for MSFS.

This is for 3rd party devs who plan to release their study level airliners also on the X-Box.  Because of course, if a 3rd party dev is willing to forgo X-Box and use the same architecture that Fenix is using, there aren't really any SDK limitations (aside from the weather radar).  You can see that Fenix have been able to do practically whatever they want with their aircraft systems, but of course Fenix's architecture will not be deployable to X-Box.

Edited February 7, 20224 yr by abrams_tank

1 hour ago, ErichB said:

Agree.

Since MSFS, I've become a big Airbus fan.  Although I am looking forward to the 737, it doesn't trigger the impulsive buying response it would have done during P3D days.  There are other options available - for free.  So the spend will now need to show value.

I can absolutely agree on what you've said!

Taking into account what PMDG did and said in the past (e.g." 777 for P3D will cost the same as the FSX version", then rising the price for the FSX version somewhere in between this statement and the release date by 20, 30EUR and releasing it for the higher FSX price), I'm absolutely not excited about PMDG products anymore, but I am about the upcoming other payware devs MD80, A310, BAe146, F28, A320 😉

 

I know PMDG doesn't care about what people think about them (why should they?), but they do care about sales and this is how I vote against some things I don't like 😉
Not just in the flightsim world, but in life general.

I will 100% buy the -700 on release, because I'll be eager to see what it can do.  I may or may not buy another NG model, as I don't enjoy long sim flights anyway.  I'll definitely pick up the Max when it releases.

4 minutes ago, Stearmandriver said:

I'll definitely pick up the Max when it releases.

They're going to release a Max?

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

Most likely, the 777 and 747 from PMDG won't have near as long a development cycle as the 737.  As Randazzo said, PMDG is like the lead ship at the front clearing the minefield for other 3rd party developers who are other ships following PMDG from behind.

What Randazzo meant by the lead ship clearing the minefield analogy was that PMDG is pushing the MSFS SDK to the limits for a study level aircraft that area also targeting X-Box, and once the first study level aircraft is released, it will be much easier for other 3rd party devs to follow and create study level aircraft for MSFS.

This is for 3rd party devs who plan to release their study level airliners also on the X-Box.  Because of course, if a 3rd party dev is willing to forgo X-Box and use the same architecture that Fenix is using, there aren't really any SDK limitations (aside from the weather radar).  You can see that Fenix have been able to do practically whatever they want with their aircraft systems, but of course Fenix's architecture will not be deployable to X-Box.

The 777-300ER expansion for P3D - a well established platform with a well-established aircraft on that platform - took them more than a year (I think it was three months in Beta), I wouldn't bet on them being any faster with MSFS' ancient development and debugging tools, even if it was a simple process of just porting over code (which it is not, apparently) and even if they could just copy-paste any system from the MSFS-version of the 737 (which they can not; the 747 and 777 are vastly different to the 737 systems-wise).

16 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

The 777-300ER expansion for P3D - a well established platform with a well-established aircraft on that platform - took them more than a year (I think it was three months in Beta), I wouldn't bet on them being any faster with MSFS' ancient development and debugging tools, even if it was a simple process of just porting over code (which it is not, apparently) and even if they could just copy-paste any system from the MSFS-version of the 737 (which they can not; the 747 and 777 are vastly different to the 737 systems-wise).

I recall Randazzo giving the estimate for the 777 for MSFS, about 6 months after the release of the 737, I think.  If my memory is correct, Randazzo originally estimated the 737 to be released between September (end of summer) to December back in May/June/July of 2021.  And I think Randazzo said the 777 would come end of 2021 to early 2022, if my memory is correct.  Unfortunately, I don't have a link to this post by Randazzo, but you can search for it - it would have been a post he made in the PMDG forum in early summer or late spring of last year.

Of course, things didn't work out for the 737 and Randazzo's estimated release date for the 737 was quite off.  But at least in Randazzo's mind back in June of 2021, he was estimating the release of the 777 about 6 months after the 737.

I guess we will see when the 777 comes out for MSFS.  But at least for the MSFS SDK hurdles that PMDG has struggled with for the 737, probably most, if not all of these SDK hurdles, will have probably been overcome by PMDG for the 777 and 747.  Of course it's possible that PMDG may run into other MSFS SDK issues for the 777, but I think the chance of that is so much lower because most of the SDK hurdles PMDG faced, was probably with the 737.

Edited February 7, 20224 yr by abrams_tank

Mr Randazzo has made a few more posts today. We can play internet stalker on him: User Profile - PMDG Simulations

An interesting post about worn cockpits here: PMDG 737 visual compared to Fenix A320 - PMDG Simulations

 

3 hours ago, Stearmandriver said:

I will 100% buy the -700 on release, because I'll be eager to see what it can do.  I may or may not buy another NG model, as I don't enjoy long sim flights anyway.  I'll definitely pick up the Max when it releases.

 

Meh, I can wait for the 800 while they iron the bugs out and continue to make improvements to the code!

If I buy a new car I expect it to look new! Same with a new sim plane. Now if it showed signs of wear over time with the option for me to give it a major refit when necessary that would be another matter.😀