45 minutes ago, johnnycaptain said:

Ive followed this development closely, and I think rsr is heavily mistaken, but not wrong. There was never a mention that the 600 will be next. However I believe the line that confused everyone including myself is the Jan 17th post where he says:

"Effective with this new product line, we are going to break them into body types so that you can purchase just the body type you want. For example, our initial release will focus on the 700 series airframe. It will come with the 737-700 body in a couple of iterations and winglet options. It will also come with the 737-700BCF (also with winglet options) and of course the venerable BBJ with winglet options and the whole fuel tank configuration range.

Then we will offer a similar roundup for the 737-800 series. It will include the 800 (in various formats) the 800BCF and the BBJ2. We will then treat the 600 and 900s similarly, grouping nearly all of the possible NG dirvations together by body style and offering them individually rather than as a base-package/expansion package combination."

Further down the post he states :

" We anticipate about 6 weeks lag time between each release, with the 700 series being first. We haven't determined the final order for the remainder, as there are a few moving parts still to be nailed down. Once we have those sorted the release order will flow naturally from that. (We are leaning to the 800 because we know that is one you guys really want!) "

So despite what most including myself thought, technically, the 800 was never announced to be next, although it sure looked like it, but despite what he said, he definitely never said the 600 will be next.

 

Randazzo just clarified that the 600 is next after the 700.  Read my post here, which also has a link to Randazzo's latest quote:

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/617351-08apr22-pmdg-737-for-msfs-developer-update/?do=findComment&comment=4751155

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Edited April 9, 20224 yr by Krakin

Think I'll just buy the BA146 to keep me occupied and wait for the 800. I'm not lining PMDG's pockets out of impatience. I don't buy the preposterous statement made by them that the 800 is so additionally more complicated than the 700 that it requires 12 weeks more development time. 

Yesterday's Sky Blue radio interview + Q&A with Robert Randazzo
 

 

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2 hours ago, VBHB said:

Exactly and they gallivant around in their planes. The corporate jet gets fuelled on the zombies that will put up with whatever they'll release to extract maximum profit. Fair enough but poor form.

Whats poor form about running a business to make profit? 
 

You want them to be a charity case?

 

 

 

One thing in yesterday's interview with Rob that's worth noting are these below (videos start at the specific time when this discussion begins) when he talks about how they integrated with the MSFS core flight model along with their own extensions:
https://youtu.be/6sG5IiTlD3Y?t=1673

And then a bit later here when he says how the flight model is going to be "more realistic and fluid" than their Prepar3D version of the 737, and how MSFS's core flight/aerodynamics model features has him "really excited" about "unlocking behaviours in high altitude swept wing jets that were not possible before", etc:
https://youtu.be/6sG5IiTlD3Y?t=1891

 

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1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

Think I'll just buy the BA146 to keep me occupied and wait for the 800. I'm not lining PMDG's pockets out of impatience. I don't buy the preposterous statement made by them that the 800 is so additionally more complicated than the 700 that it requires 12 weeks more development time. 

...and yet you will be quite happy to "line their pockets" when the 800 is released? If you think that they are a shady underworld company with dodgy business practices, why don't you show them how you really feel by not purchasing anything from them?

Oh, wait......

1 hour ago, Christopher Low said:

...and yet you will be quite happy to "line their pockets" when the 800 is released? If you think that they are a shady underworld company with dodgy business practices, why don't you show them how you really feel by not purchasing anything from them?

Oh, wait......

What scunnuers me is being screwed and lied to. ( The idea that the 800 is so much more complicated than the 700 seems to me to be stretching credibility..')

But so be it. I'll just have to buy two planes and pay the price. No big deal I suppose.

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14 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

What scunnuers me is being screwed and lied to. ( The idea that the 800 is so much more complicated than the 700 seems to me to be stretching credibility..')

But so be it. I'll just have to buy two planes and pay the price. No big deal I suppose.

6 weeks between airframes doesn’t seem long or “complicated” to me.  Not sure how that translates into being “screwed and lied to” but to each his own I suppose.

That podcast was really disappointing. He never really answered any questions directly. The NG3 is basically an early access build with the "promise" of bi-weekly updates for 2 years. I honestly think I'm going to pass on this. 

14 minutes ago, fakeflyer737 said:

That podcast was really disappointing. He never really answered any questions directly. The NG3 is basically an early access build with the "promise" of bi-weekly updates for 2 years. I honestly think I'm going to pass on this. 

Well according to his post: "Another customer driven idea that we are enacting with this release cycle is to treat the release phase for this series of 737s almost as if it were an early access phase. The term "early access" doesn't really apply since each product will be almost entirely finished when it is made available to you, but there are features that we wish to add to the product line that we can only dedicate resources to after the initial product release cycle begins" 

So it's not an "early access build" in the traditional sense... when it releases it will have functionality that is >= the P3D-equivalent, and then new above-and-beyond features being released for free incrementally in the weeks following, such as: all new EFB, ever higher res/detailed passenger cabins and modelling, enhanced LNAV (from what I gathered near end of podcast), etc.

As to not answering questions directly, he is a man of many many words lol... and sometimes not being concise can lead one to believe that he's not answering directly :) , but I thought all his answers had good clear info with lots of background/context, YMMV of course.

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2 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

And then a bit later here when he says how the flight model is going to be "more realistic and fluid" than their Prepar3D version of the 737, and how MSFS's core flight/aerodynamics model features has him "really excited" about "unlocking behaviours in high altitude swept wing jets that were not possible before", etc:
https://youtu.be/6sG5IiTlD3Y?t=1891

 

This is interesting.  From a lot of discussion here in the MSFS forum, some 3rd party developers said that P3D allows more customization of the flight model, so it produces planes that fly more realistic compared to the planes in real life.  But Randazzo is saying the opposite for this 737 - that the MSFS version of this 737 flies more realistically than the P3D version of it.

I don't know who is right or wrong, or if there are cases where P3D is better than MSFS and cases where MSFS is better than P3D. But at least for this 737, Randazzo is saying the MSFS 737 is better than the P3D 737.

I don't know if I am going to pass; but I am going to wait a while and see how it goes. Any mention of early access makes me nervous, especially from PMDG that has historically not taken this kind of approach, and, as has been noted, they are slow to update after the initial roll out is complete. I am not sure about a "almost entirely finished" product and then hoping that it is actually finished. It is not clear why these unfinished things cannot be completed before release; strikes me as kind of a strange statement: "Hey, go ahead and buy the car. We can't polish up the interior and make it look nice until we sell it"? It makes me speculate that it is more about cash flow than introducing a excellent product, excellent in the context of MSFS. Historically, I have purchased PMDG on pretty much the first day, but I think this time I will hold off for a while and see how it unfolds. But I am hopefully it will go well and am looking forward flying it -- although, also more excited for the cargo and BBJ variants than the passenger one. 

5 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

This is interesting.  From a lot of discussion here in the MSFS forum, some 3rd party developers said that P3D allows more customization of the flight model, so it produces planes that fly more realistic compared to the planes in real life.

I have always been pretty skeptical of these kinds of statements. And, really, if you are trying to sell another version of your product, one that many have already bought and used in another simulator, you are going to to emphasize these kinds of things so that people think hey, this is the best iPhone we have ever produced (sorry, best PMDG 737, we have every made), and get everyone hyped to go and get the new version!