I wish the only drama in life was about getting the PMDG-800 before the -700 (...).
Come on PMDG, deliver what you planned to deliver and don't pay too much attention to the groans and snivels.

Edited April 9, 20224 yr by David Roch

52 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

is making people buy your product that would not have bought your product if they made a free decision on the base of pure information and rational for-against-arguments.

Wait a minute - so you’re saying that someone who really only needs/wants the -800, but decides to buy the -700 on release because he/she can’t bear waiting another 12 weeks, did not “make a free decision on the basis of pure information and rational for/against arguments” ?

MaleCattleManure!!

31 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

This time, and the first time you have to buy the base 700 then wait and buy the 800 as on addon.

You don’t have to, you can just wait for 800 and buy that instead.

Mr. Randazzo released this statement this morning:

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Evening Everybody!

A couple of folks have been debating the release order: You may recall that late last summer we announced the release order would be 700, 600 first because they are functionally very similar and that the 800 and 900 would need significant additional engineering that has to be done second because the 600/700 are the foundation of the engineering production process for Boeing and for the logical processes in the PMDG simulation.

We decided to do the 700 first since it was more popular in the real world than the 600. This also fits in the ability for us to give the team a chance to catch it's breath as we phase in the 600, rather than going from heavy lift to heavy lift.

Just wanted to be certain it was clear that this information has been presented previously and does not represent a change!

Edit 'cuz I forgot to mention this part:
Another piece that is probably worth mentioning is that the amount of time it will take to complete the 800 series is about 10-12 weeks from when the 700 is released. It is substantially irrelevant if the 600 drops in-between the 700 and 800 because of the way workflow parses out between the code team and the modeling teams. We could cancel the 600 release entirely and it would not change the delivery date of the 800 relative to the 700.

I realize that some folks are always looking for a conspiracy theory, and this point doesn't support that desperate desire to have something to be angry about- but I think it is important that the facts be made clear here, as they are relevant.

To be honest, that explanation of the release order, sounds reasonable to me. But then again, I'm not buying into the whole conspiracy theory, where people lacks free will and PMDG's ability to manipulate their customer base...

I don’t really understand that the drama here 🙄. Before, you guys were crying for PMDG to release 737 in MSFS ASAP. Now, PMDG will release the 737 in few weeks and you guys crying about 700 is before 800??

41 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

The diffrence with this release is there "forcing" you to buy the 700, FSX and P3D the base was the 800/900. The ones most people want, you then could buy the 600/700 as an addon.

This time, and the first time you have to buy the base 700 then wait and buy the 800 as on addon. So before you could just buy the base and be happy becasue you have the most common used 73, no, now you have to ( well you dont have to) buy the base and an addon just to get where you was with just the base within FSX/P3D. 

PMDG....🙄

 

Seems you're misunderstanding. There is no "base" aircraft for MSFS, and no addons.  Every single variant of the 737 will be a standalone product. So you just buy the variant you want. You don't need ANY of the others. 

1 minute ago, anden145 said:

Mr. Randazzo released this statement this morning:

To be honest, that explanation of the release order, sounds reasonable to me. But then again, I'm not buying into the whole conspiracy theory, where people lacks free will and PMDG's ability to manipulate their customer base...

Pretty sure he was reading this thread lol 

1 hour ago, Fiorentoni said:

A big part of marketing and advertising is making people buy your product that would not have bought your product if they made a free decision on the base of pure information and rational for-against-arguments.

Are we still talking about a addon to a flight simulator here, or did I drop into a discussion about dictatorship and suppressed citizens?

Maybe save your big words to matters that are important.

40 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

Let me put it another way:
Would you consider a drug dealer a good business maker in a free market, just because his customers always come back for more and even increase their purchase "amount" over time? In the end he fits your definition of "convincing someone to purchase their product", too.

If you can be successfully psychologically manipulated by a software developer... well, I don't know what to say about that. 

Your drug dealer example has one flaw: he's selling a physically addictive substance. 

PMDG is selling software. I mean, I'm sure somewhere there's someone actually addicted to buying software, just like somewhere, there's someone genuinely addicted to buying hammers.  But this does not apply to the general population; most of us simply buy the hammer (or the software) that does the job we want to do. 

In contrast, the large majority of people who make the poor decision to try the free heroin subsequently lose their ability to not purchase it - because heroin is an aggressively addictive substance. 

Software and hammers are just software and hammers. 

Just now, espent said:

Are we still talking about a addon to a flight simulator here, or did I drop into a discussion about dictatorship and suppressed citizens?

Maybe save your big words to matters that are important.

We are talking about human decision making and how it can be influenced. This being important for businesses as well as for dictators does NOT make businesses equal to dictators. I however do realize that I went quite off-topic by explaining the psychological side of purchase decisions and therefore will not digress any further.

Hmm, I am reasonably certain that Robert Randazzo originally stated that the 700 would be released first, followed by the 800....or am I mistaken? Not that it matters. If the 600 is released after the 700, there should be plenty more fascinating material to read at AVSIM

14 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

We are talking about human decision making and how it can be influenced. This being important for businesses as well as for dictators does NOT make businesses equal to dictators. I however do realize that I went quite off-topic by explaining the psychological side of purchase decisions and therefore will not digress any further.

Aren't you taking this a bit too far; hence scaling it a bit out of proportions?

Edited April 9, 20224 yr by anden145

19 minutes ago, anden145 said:

Aren't you taking this a bit too far; hence scaling it a bit out of proportions?

Yes, therefore let's move on.

Oh the PMDG-induced drama.  Business as usual.

One thing I notice was that Robert said we would be pleasantly surprised about the pricing.

 

55 minutes ago, Stearmandriver said:

Seems you're misunderstanding. There is no "base" aircraft for MSFS, and no addons.  Every single variant of the 737 will be a standalone product. So you just buy the variant you want. You don't need ANY of the others. 

Thanks I did not know that, a first from PMDG and the NG.

Sorry Guys I did not know that. With my NGXu, I will wait to see the pricing but with the $99 I might well be ok buying the 700 and for a few$ get the 800.

Sorry for not reading PMDG are going complete models for each variant.

Edited April 9, 20224 yr by Nyxx