1 minute ago, MarkW said:

Previously you need to buy the -700 base pack if you wanted the -800 but now you can just buy the 800 separately.  You just need to wait for its release.

Can't wait. That's why it's so clever.

1 hour ago, anden145 said:

Because this is AVSIM...

What does this even mean? 

Is it sturdy level? 

6 hours ago, Simple B said:

It was previously indicated that purchasing all individual variants would cost less than the previous arrangements to acquire all the variants.

 

IF this statement is still true (I seem to remember overhearing something similar, but tbh I have no idea, just did the math), and this refers to current pricing, and they're releasing 4 variants, we're going to see a price of less than $47 per variant on average.

Check it out on the PMDG website, if you buy all four 737 NGXu packages for P3d, it'll set you back about $185. 

I certainly wouldn't assume all packages to be priced the same, depending on how many configurations (i.e. passenger, cargo, BBJ, ...) each package includes, so the 737-700 might be priced slightly above average... 

Randazzo himself said it several times that many people will be surprised about the pricing, the market is different to FSX or P3d, and they're expecting to sell a LOT more than before.  

So let's see, after learning a bit about the great sales figures for the DC-6, I wouldn't expect the price to be any higher than $80. And at that price it's an insta buy for me. If it's lower, even better... I might be tempted to go for more than one variant, although I usually don't care too much about them...

Edited April 8, 20224 yr by pstrub

19 minutes ago, pstrub said:

IF this statement is still true (I seem to remember overhearing something similar, but tbh I have no idea, just did the math), and this refers to current pricing, and they're releasing 4 variants, we're going to see a price of less than $47 per variant on average.

Check it out on the PMDG website, if you buy all four 737 NGXu packages for P3d, it'll set you back about $185. 

I certainly wouldn't assume all packages to be priced the same, depending on how many configurations (i.e. passenger, cargo, BBJ, ...) each package includes, so the 737-700 might be priced slightly above average... 

Randazzo himself said it several times that many people will be surprised about the pricing, the market is different to FSX or P3d, and they're expecting to sell a LOT more than before.  

So let's see, after learning a bit about the great sales figures for the DC-6, I wouldn't expect the price to be any higher than $80. And at that price it's an insta buy for me. If it's lower, even better... I might be tempted to go for more than one variant, although I usually don't care too much about them...

My theory is the 700 will launch at an introductory price to grab the largest amount of sales and create some new simmer interest for the more popular 800 variant, the 700 will be used as the public test bed, then we will see a premium priced 800, to be followed by the 900, probably at or slightly below the introductory price of the 700 and finally the 600 at a low price at the end of the cycle.

For example:

700 at $49

800 at $60

900 at $45

600 at $30

Total $184

 

 

8 minutes ago, Simple B said:

My theory is the 700 will launch at an introductory price to grab the largest amount of sales and create some new simmer interest for the more popular 800 variant, the 700 will be used as the public test bed, then we will see a premium priced 800, to be followed by the 900, probably at or slightly below the introductory price of the 700 and finally the 600 at a low price at the end of the cycle.

For example:

700 at $49

800 at $60

900 at $45

600 at $30

Total $184

 

 

It's pointless speculating, we may as well just wait and see what's announced by PMDG. After all it looks as though we haven't got very much longer to wait.

12 minutes ago, Simple B said:

My theory is the 700 will launch at an introductory price to grab the largest amount of sales and create some new simmer interest for the more popular 800 variant, the 700 will be used as the public test bed, then we will see a premium priced 800, to be followed by the 900, probably at or slightly below the introductory price of the 700 and finally the 600 at a low price at the end of the cycle.

For example:

700 at $49

800 at $60

900 at $45

600 at $30

Total $184

 

 

It would cause PMDG some PR trouble, because there is no difference between the 700 and 800 that would justify the price difference. It's much easier to sell the first package (whatever you buy fist) for 60 dollars and anything else for less. This way everybody will buy the -700 (because they can't wait) and after that will have a hard time resisting to buy the rest for around 30-40 dollars. That's 101 psychology (same manipulation ehm effect is being used by card trading games - or well basically any mobile games and any sports game -... people want to have the "full collection", and if subsequent packages cost less than the first one, it's much easier to entice them to actually give in to their urge).

Edited April 8, 20224 yr by Fiorentoni

28 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

It would cause PMDG some PR trouble, because there is no difference between the 700 and 800 that would justify the price difference. It's much easier to sell the first package (whatever you buy fist) for 60 dollars and anything else for less. This way everybody will buy the -700 (because they can't wait) and after that will have a hard time resisting to buy the rest for around 30-40 dollars. That's 101 psychology (same manipulation ehm effect is being used by card trading games - or well basically any mobile games and any sports game -... people want to have the "full collection", and if subsequent packages cost less than the first one, it's much easier to entice them to actually give in to their urge).

Agreed, this makes a lot of sense. As far as I can gather from the P3d version (and some details from Rob's dev updates), all variants are going to come with a passenger version, the -700 variant is going to add both the cargo and the BBJ versions, the -800 only cargo.

So it seems like the -700 will have the most variants available, the -800 only passenger and cargo, and the 600/900 just the passenger variant. 

Of course this is partially guesswork, but it would help justify the selling the first variant (the -700) at the highest price, then second one (the -800) a bit lower, and the other two even cheaper, following the same basic sales psychology you mentioned. Could be 60 / 50 / 40 / 40 or something along these lines. Sound's quite cheap to me for a PMDG airliner, but we'll see... And if they can provide some kind of reasonable justification for the price differences between the variants, people are less likely to see this as a cash grab... 

 

Edited April 8, 20224 yr by pstrub

1 hour ago, MarkW said:

Previously you need to buy the -700 base pack if you wanted the -800 but now you can just buy the 800 separately.  You just need to wait for its release.

Actually, the NGX/NGXu base version in FSX/P3D included the 800/900 models, and the first extension added the the 600/700.  And then there were separate extensions for the BBJs and the cargo versions.

 

Some interesting discussion from real world pilots about the 737 -700 and -800 handling.

737-700 vs 737-800 - PPRuNe Forums

Will PMDG use a generic flight model for each variant or do individual tweaks I wonder?

Edited April 8, 20224 yr by JSmith2112

2 minutes ago, JSmith2112 said:

Some interesting discussion from real world pilots about the 737 -700 and -800 handling.

737-700 vs 737-800 - PPRuNe Forums

Will PMDG use a generic flight model for each variant or do individual tweaks I wonder/

In the latest update, Rob wrote: "At approximately six week intervals we will be adding a new 737 package to the product line, to include the PMDG 737-600 for MSFS, PMDG 737-800 for MSFS and PMDG 737-900 for MSFS each as a stand-alone package that will include real world variations of the airframe type and it's various unique flying, handling and options qualities."

To me that seems like they intend to tweak the flight model for each variant individually.

I wonder why they aren't talking about RNP functionality yet?  Surely, they'd be confident enough by now to say something about that.

As much as I hate to say it, I think, for the first time, I might wait and see with the first release.  Normally, I'd buy on day one from PMDG without question.  It's not necessarily a deal killer, but hmmm.  

I wonder if avionics upgrades are going to come across all the other products at the same time maybe?  Maybe much later.  Could be a time saver for them in the long run?

Edited April 8, 20224 yr by Jeff Nielsen

19 minutes ago, Jeff Nielsen said:

I wonder why they aren't talking about RNP functionality yet?  Surely, they'd be confident enough by now to say something about that.

Because they haven't talked much about any system. He said in the update a look at what's included is due shortly.

 

42 minutes ago, JSmith2112 said:

Will PMDG use a generic flight model for each variant or do individual tweaks I wonder?

Definitely custom, individual flight models for each variant, as he said in the update. It's a given when talking about devs like PMDG, FSL etc. considering the fidelity of the products.

Edited April 8, 20224 yr by threegreen

2 hours ago, gb09f said:

Is it sturdy level? 

It's very sturdy, yes. 🙂

22 minutes ago, Jeff Nielsen said:

I wonder why they aren't talking about RNP functionality yet?

I agree! I'm eagerly awaiting for more planes with RNP functionality. They're super fun to fly.