5 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

KatiePilot (IRL A320 pilot on their beta testing team): As much as the team would love to just post a screenshot, there has been a lot of hard work going on in the background to create things that have yet to be seen in a simulator, and there’s a balance to be struck between sharing progress and giving away all our secrets. Rest assured, when the time is right. You’ll understand why. Timing is everything
(link: https://discord.com/channels/736572376967282769/736572377428787221/970707701728411739)

Now our expectations are going to the roof, based of all that, I'd really expect it to be better than FSL but let's see 😉

1 hour ago, Car147 said:

What are you on about.

Sorry, I thought it was more or less well known in the community.

The navdata they use (since I don't know when - I guess since forever) lacks curved leg types (RF = radius to fix) regularly seen in RNP or DME ARC approaches, but also departures.

This is a common thing in today's real world aviation and not something very new and fancy. Other sim add-ons feature that in detail for a long time now. Fslabs since around 2015 when they released their A320 series, if I remember correctly. The Fenix already confirmed in text and screenshots, that all leg types are supported from the start. 

PMDG on the other hand requires fake waypoints in their database to mimic the curved segments. I'm sure you've seen them, if you're used to PMDG. 

If that pleases you, that's totally fine. It's something that doesn't convince me anymore, personally. As said, they have something in the works. I will reconsider when they deliver. I like the 737 as a plane and visually the PMDG rendition looks very nice. 

18 minutes ago, NovemberUniform said:

Sorry, I thought it was more or less well known in the community.

The navdata they use (since I don't know when - I guess since forever) lacks curved leg types (RF = radius to fix) regularly seen in RNP or DME ARC approaches, but also departures.

This is a common thing in today's real world aviation and not something very new and fancy. Other sim add-ons feature that in detail for a long time now. Fslabs since around 2015 when they released their A320 series, if I remember correctly. The Fenix already confirmed in text and screenshots, that all leg types are supported from the start. 

PMDG on the other hand requires fake waypoints in their database to mimic the curved segments. I'm sure you've seen them, if you're used to PMDG. 

If that pleases you, that's totally fine. It's something that doesn't convince me anymore, personally. As said, they have something in the works. I will reconsider when they deliver. I like the 737 as a plane and visually the PMDG rendition looks very nice. 

Even FBW is figuring out curved SIDs/STARs and they have been doing this only over the course of a year and a half. PMDG is still amazing, but they need to get their butts kicked a bit I feel like.

20 minutes ago, nikolajz1 said:

PMDG is still amazing, but they need to get their butts kicked a bit I feel like.

Don't know. They surely lost the crown some time ago. But I agree, they still sell amazing add-ons and I will of course keep an eye on the release and the months coming. 

7 hours ago, lwt1971 said:A couple of small yet enticing updates from Aamir and team on their discord:

Aamir on questions about any blocking issues: We're always here listening to the feedback and criticisms. It's important to listen to what you guys are thinking/feeling, so thank you for speaking out and sharing your opinions on the public facing update process. Rest assured, if there were some huge blocking issue that has stopped our progress, we will have notified you. At this time, no such issue exists - and we are simply continuing on our expected track.
(link: https://discord.com/channels/736572376967282769/736572377428787221/970683149002612737)

 

“Our expected track” is not true since he promised a new update soon, back in January.

with this I’m not saying that they don’t have the right to stay silent.

the can do what the want and only the final product quality will count.

but what I observed is how they learned so fast how brutal and hard is the flight sim coding world. A lot of Fenix fans were full of enthusiasm, supporting their philosophy to the detriment of PMDG. everyone knows that PMDG are postponing constantly the dates and barely update before the release.

Fenix planned to make the approach in a different way, but they understood that at the moment this way is hard. So my opinion is that they are (CORRECTLY) putting their energy on the product.

for me it is ok.

What's bothering me is the sudden change on how they communicated.

From:

look at me, come on in, am i sexy, smart?

To:

Move along, nothing to see or hear

Edited May 3, 20224 yr by bendead

1 hour ago, YouDontKnow said:

“Our expected track” is not true since he promised a new update soon, back in January.

He was speaking specifically about actual development, not marketing strategies. We have no reason to believe that statement is not true since we are not privy to what is happening behind their closed doors.

 

Speaking of marketing strategies, have we not considered the possibility that they don't want to share the hype with the bunch of other planes releasing lately? What if they know they're about to change the game (pun not intended hehe) and they want a bigger chunk of the spotlight when the time is right?

2 hours ago, YouDontKnow said:

they learned so fast how brutal and hard is the flight sim coding world. Fenix planned to make the approach in a different way, but they understood that at the moment this way is hard.

This point comes from your considerations, not from Fenix devs.

To me, like some others above have said, it looks likes Fenix is biding its time to release their A320 to ensure a high level of quality and also to not share the spotlight with other major 3PD aircraft releases. As Aamir and team have regularly said, they only have one chance at making a good first impression so they want to put themselves in the best position for that.  Katie pretty much just said "timing is everything".

Personally I'm hoping they're aiming to release during the SU9 lifetime rather than wait till SU10, but if it gets closer to July, they might well wait till after SU10 releases... all conjecture of course.

Given that Katie said "... create things that have yet to be seen in a simulator, and there’s a balance to be struck between sharing progress and giving away all our secrets ...", it would very probably have to be some feature(s) not shown yet in any of their features previews on https://fenixsim.com/blog/ ... I really do hope they set a new bar for 3PD aircrafts in MSFS & flight simulation in general, competition is always a good thing for the consumer 🙂

6 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

 "... create things that have yet to be seen in a simulator 🙂

Hmm, where have I heard this one before?

The FbW version can be enjoyed right now. No need for marketing hype.

28 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

The FbW version can be enjoyed right now. No need for marketing hype.

 

The fantastic FBW aircraft can indeed be enjoyed now and in the future, irrespective of the Fenix A320.  Given that Fenix is a new developer, we can also wait to actually see their product before deciding what an IRL A320 pilot beta tester said on their discord forum (in response to many there requesting a dev update or screenshot) is actually Fenix's "marketing hype" or not.

Edited May 3, 20224 yr by lwt1971

43 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

 

The fantastic FBW aircraft can indeed be enjoyed now and in the future, irrespective of the Fenix A320.  Given that Fenix is a new developer, we can also wait to actually see their product before deciding what an IRL A320 pilot beta tester said on their discord forum (in response to many there requesting a dev update or screenshot) is actually Fenix's "marketing hype" or not.

Yup. There is a lot of hype for the Fenix A320. We will find out if the hype is real when it's finally released.

But I can imagine that hype is real.  Fenix had a huge head start by using ProSim.  So much complex A320 systems logic is already covered by ProSim. I think the Fenix team probably saved 3 years or more of development time by using ProSim.

Edited May 3, 20224 yr by abrams_tank

1 hour ago, WestAir said:

This point comes from your considerations, not from Fenix devs.

I like how you waited my message to say what I said to you 😂

 

While “PMDG is short in cash” 😜, I confirm that are all my considerations.

“My opinion” ☺️

This one is probably out right after the LevelD 757 which in turn will be released after the LevelD 767 for P3D x64.

49 minutes ago, YouDontKnow said:

I like how you waited my message to say what I said to you 😂

I may have held a bit of a grudge, haha. 😂